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    On August 22, 2011, as a result of a directive from President Obama, the US Department of Health and Human Services (“HHS”) issued its Plan for Retrospective Review of Existing Rules (“Plan”). The Plan includes a review from all HHS operating and staff divisions (e.g., the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (“CMS”)) that establish, administer and/or enforce regulation. HHS’ Plan aims to review “existing significant regulations to identify those rules that can be eliminated as obsolete, unnecessary, burdensome, or counterproductive or that can be modified to be more effective, efficient, flexible, and streamlined.” While, on its face, a review of unnecessary regulations appears to be beneficial, looking below the surface reveals that the review may create fundamental changes in medical and anesthesia practice. CMS is contemplating reviewing the conditions of participation (“CoPs”) for anesthesia services (42 CFR 482.52) to eliminate the certified registered nurse anesthetist (“CRNA”) supervision requirement, which could significantly impact anesthesiologists, CRNAs, their practices and their patients.

    CURRENT HOSPITAL CoPs FOR ANESTHESIA SERVICES


    As a preliminary matter, it should be noted that for the purposes of the hospital CoPs for anesthesia services, CMS considers the areas where anesthesia services are furnished and may include operating room suite(s), both inpatient and outpatient; obstetrical suite(s); radiology departments; clinics; emergency departments; psychiatry departments; outpatient surgery areas and special procedure areas (e.g., endoscopy suites, pain management clinics, etc.). Moreover, administering anesthesia must only be by:


    A qualified anesthesiologist;
    A non-anesthesiologist MD or DO;
    A dentist, oral surgeon, or podiatrist who is qualified to administer anesthesia under State law;
    A CRNA who is under the supervision of the operating practitioner or of an anesthesiologist who is immediately available if needed; or


    An anesthesiologist’s assistant who is under the supervision of an anesthesiologist who is immediately available if needed.
    These requirements concerning who may administer anesthesia do not apply to the administration of topical or local anesthetics, minimal sedation, or moderate sedation.


    The CRNA supervision requirement (number (iv), above) applies in States that have not opted out of the requirement. States may opt out of the CRNA supervision requirement by sending a letter, signed by the State’s governor, to CMS concluding that it is in the best interest of the State’s citizens to opt out of the physician supervision requirement (42 CFR 482.52(c)).1 According to CMS, as of October 2010, sixteen (16) states have chosen to opt out: California, Iowa, Nebraska, Idaho, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Kansas, North Dakota, Washington, Alaska, Oregon, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Montana and Colorado. Notably, this rule does not require hospitals to allow CRNAs to practice unsupervised; this rule merely exempts those States that have opted out from requiring supervision of CRNAs as a condition to Medicare reimbursement.


    For those remaining thirty-four (34) states that have not opted out, the requirement that the operating practitioner or anesthesiologist be “immediately available” is satisfied if the operating practitioner or anesthesiologist is “physically located within the same area as the CRNA, e.g., in the same operative/ procedural suite, or in the same labor and delivery unit, and not otherwise occupied in a way that prevents him/her from immediately conducting hands-on intervention, if needed.” This supervision requirement is intended to ensure the safety of the patients while also allowing the anesthesiologists to simultaneously tend to multiple patients, thus providing for more efficient delivery of care.

    HHS’ PLAN FOR RETROSPECTIVE REVIEW OF EXISTING RULES TARGETS ANESTHESIA


    However, these rules may change with HHS’ and CMS’ upcoming review. As part of its Plan, HHS agencies identified regulations that that will be reviewed over the next two years. One of CMS’ areas of review includes the hospital CoPs. Specifically, CMS will be reviewing the CoPs for anesthesia services (42 CFR 482.52) in response to the following comment:
    Many regulations requiring a “physician” to perform procedures or at least supervise them are called unnecessary by commenters because oftentimes the work can be done just as easily by Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists (CRNAs) and other Advanced Practice Registered Nurses (APRNs). Similarly, this commenter wrote that current regulations, 42 CFR part 482.52(a)(4) require unnecessary supervision by an “operating practitioner or an anesthesiologist” upping costs by increasing staff members but not safety. This commenter summed up these particular concerns by, “suggest[ing] that all regulations and interpretive guidelines issued by CMS be reviewed with the intent of removing restrictions concerning anesthesia services provided by nurse anesthetists.”


    CMS argues that the purpose of reviewing the hospital CoPs would be to “remove or revise multiple requirements that are inconsistent with other requirements or impose unnecessary burdens to increase flexibility.” CMS indicates that the review of the hospital CoPs would result in an estimated $600 million in savings, annually.


    According to the American Society of Anesthesiologists (“ASA”), while CRNAs are certainly valuable, they are only qualified to perform some anesthesia services and are not qualified to perform all anesthesia services. In other words, a CRNA does not equal an anesthesiologist. The ASA contends that CRNAs should supplement an anesthesiologist’s practice by performing services under that anesthesiologist’s supervision, pursuant to the current regulations. The AANA categorically disagrees.


    The ASA also takes the position that when anesthesiologists are involved in procedures, the anesthesiologist plays the role of the perioperative physician in which s/he is solely responsible for providing comprehensive care to the patient during the entirety of the procedure. Moreover, the ASA states that it is because of the anesthesiologist’s over twelve (12) years of formal training that s/he is knowledgeable enough to evaluate all aspects of a patient’s condition, taking into account all of the potential risks. A 2000 study published in Anesthesiology found that death and failure-to-rescue deaths were greater when care was not directed by anesthesiologists.


    Last year, however, an article appeared in Health Affairs that marshaled data to show that there were no differences in outcomes between anesthesiologists and CRNAs.


    As stated above, lifting the requirement that CRNAs be supervised when performing anesthesia services would affect Medicare Part B payment policies, but lifting the requirement does not necessarily imply that CRNAs will immediately begin providing services independently. CRNAs can only perform services independently if the hospital in which they perform those services embraces a supervision-free environment. The ASA urges anesthesiologists to continue working with their local and national anesthesia associations and lobbying organizations to encourage CMS to reject the commenter’s suggestion. The American Association of Nurse Anesthetists has worked long and hard to eliminate the supervision requirement, and it will also urge its members to use the HHS-CMS review of the CoPs to further its professional goals. No one can predict the outcome, but everyone who wishes will have a chance to be heard, directly or indirectly.
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    1. Vargo Anesthesia's Avatar
      Vargo Anesthesia -
      Yea, I heard about it about 6 months ago in SC. Because the Gov is only going to pay for ONE anesthesia provider-they do not care who it is. Not good for the MD.
    1. Redic's Avatar
      Redic -
      How did the CRNA profession start? The surgeon would direct a nurse to administer anesthetic to the patient. What has been your contribution to the development of the speciality. What drug or technique was discovered by a CRNA? What is your contribution to research? You still read books written by MDAs or books copied from books written by MDAs. If CRNA is equal to MDAs, you are telling us that medical school is equal to nursing school. MDAs can work as intensivists and manage patients in ICUs. Why are CRNAs not stating that they should also be allowed to do critical care. Is it because critical care is too much for a Crna . Also, when discussing physicians vs non physician providers, how many CRNAs have a non physician provider as their PCP? Think!
    1. J-Dubya's Avatar
      J-Dubya -
      Quote Originally Posted by Redic View Post
      How did the CRNA profession start? The surgeon would direct a nurse to administer anesthetic to the patient. What has been your contribution to the development of the speciality. What drug or technique was discovered by a CRNA? What is your contribution to research? You still read books written by MDAs or books copied from books written by MDAs. If CRNA is equal to MDAs, you are telling us that medical school is equal to nursing school. MDAs can work as intensivists and manage patients in ICUs. Why are CRNAs not stating that they should also be allowed to do critical care. Is it because critical care is too much for a Crna . Also, when discussing physicians vs non physician providers, how many CRNAs have a non physician provider as their PCP? Think!
      All the research indicates that outcomes are the same whether an MDA or a CRNA gives the anesthesia. That's the bottom line, nothing else is relevant.
    1. J-Dubya's Avatar
      J-Dubya -
      PS lighten up a little bit
    1. yoga's Avatar
      yoga -
      Is it a full moon? The trolls are out again. Sorry Redic, your post is full of the ASA party line. You don't want your question answered because you can't handle the truth.
    1. MmacFN's Avatar
      MmacFN -
      Relic

      Interesting take.

      Unfortunately all available evidence disputes nearly everything you said here.

      BTW, looks like you are an AA. What did you expect with a first post like that?

      Lets break down some of what you said tho, for fun.

      How did the CRNA profession start? The surgeon would direct a nurse to administer anesthetic to the patient.
      That is factually incorrect. The surgeon didnt care about the anesthetic as long as it worked. The mayo brothers proved this when they had Alice Magaw in the last 1800s do ALL of their anesthetics and in fact called her the 'mother of anesthesia'. They did not 'direct' her at all and considered her an expert in her field. In addition both physicians and nurses from all over the USA and in fact the world came to LEARN from her.

      What has been your contribution to the development of the speciality.
      You might do a little research here. There has been significant development either in conjunction with MDAs or by CRNAs.

      What drug or technique was discovered by a CRNA?
      How many drugs were developed by MDAs?

      What is your contribution to research?
      The contribution to research is less by CRNAs than by MDAs. However, you seem to leave out that MDAs in academic settings are paid to do such research whereas CRNAs do not have the same opportunities. However, with the propagation of the doctorate for CRNAs I believe more of this will be seen.

      You still read books written by MDAs or books copied from books written by MDAs.
      Wow, that is quite a statement "copied from books". I implore you to PROVE that one.

      As for the books, im confused at why this matters. At the end of the day we have proven to have the same outcomes without MDAs as they have on their own.

      If CRNA is equal to MDAs, you are telling us that medical school is equal to nursing school.
      I find this laughable. Of course medical school isnt equal to nursing school. They are entirely different. The best thing is we dont have to compare them at all simply compare the OUTCOMES and you see the end result is no different. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.

      MDAs can work as intensivists and manage patients in ICUs. Why are CRNAs not stating that they should also be allowed to do critical care. Is it because critical care is too much for a Crna
      Only fellowship trained critical care MDAs should be working there otherwise I do not believe they have the training to do it. In the APN world Critical Care APNs do, in fact, run ICUs.

      Also, when discussing physicians vs non physician providers, how many CRNAs have a non physician provider as their PCP? Think!
      Bud, how is this even relevant.

      In my OR ive personally done anesthesia for the Chief of surgery, 2 surgeons wives, 2 surgeons, 3 MDs who are not surgeons and about 1/3rd of the staff who have had surgery. They all could have the choice to have an MDA do the anesthesia by request but they elected to choose me. Why do you suppose this is? Proof is in the pudding that is what it is.

      BTW, thanks for coming out but frankly, you are out of your depth.
    1. Redic's Avatar
      Redic -
      [
      You might do a little research here. There has been significant development either in conjunction with MDAs or by CRNAs.
      How many drugs were developed by MDAs?

      Name one development or research by a CRNA



      The contribution to research is less by CRNAs than by MDAs. However, you seem to leave out that MDAs in academic settings are paid to do such research whereas CRNAs do not have the same opportunities. However, with the propagation of the doctorate for CRNAs I believe more of this will be seen.

      This is going to be a long wait.


      Wow, that is quite a statement "copied from books". I implore you to PROVE that one.

      Have you been able to prove otherwie?


      As for the books, im confused at why this matters. At the end of the day we have proven to have the same outcomes without MDAs as they have on their own.

      It proves zero contribution to advancing the practice of anesthesia.



      I find this laughable. Of course medical school isnt equal to nursing school. They are entirely different. The best thing is we dont have to compare them at all simply compare the OUTCOMES and you see the end result is no different. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.

      Back door entry into patient care field if you cannot be a MD.


      Only fellowship trained critical care MDAs should be working there otherwise I do not believe they have the training to do it. In the APN world Critical Care APNs do, in fact, run ICUs.

      Quality will not be the same.




      Bud, how is this even relevant.

      In my OR ive personally done anesthesia for the Chief of surgery, 2 surgeons wives, 2 surgeons, 3 MDs who are not surgeons and about 1/3rd of the staff who have had surgery. They all could have the choice to have an MDA do the anesthesia by request but they elected to choose me. Why do you suppose this is? Proof is in the pudding that is what it is.

      No self respecting surgeon would do that. You also did not answer if you would have an APN as your PCP.


      BTW, thanks for coming out but frankly, you are out of your depth.[/QUOTE]

    1. yoga's Avatar
      yoga -
      Redic,

      You may wish to search the literature a bit. CRNAs have authored chapters in surgical books and have received accolades for it.

      I know because I am one of them. Annals of Plastic Surgery "Anesthesia for Male Facelifts" edited by Bruce Connell, MD (considered one of the top facial plastic surgeons of his time).

      I don't have the references with me, but in one of the first books on cardiac surgery from the Cleveland Clinic, the anesthesia chapter was written by Del Portzer, CRNA.

      While I would agree that we have been behind on research, every day in operating rooms around the country, CRNAs prove their contribution to the anesthesia profession.

      In my practice, occasionally a patient would request an MD for anesthesia. The surgeon said, "find another plastic surgeon".

      BTW, I know many, many people who are extremely pleased to go to a NP as their primary care provider.

      As I said before, you can't handle the truth.

      If you would like to discuss the legal aspects of CRNA practice, bring it on...I wrote a book on the topic.

      Jan Mannino, CRNA,JD
    1. deemo21's Avatar
      deemo21 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Redic View Post

      Wow, that is quite a statement "copied from books". I implore you to PROVE that one.

      Have you been able to prove otherwie?

      The burden of proof is on the person that makes the statement. I am not here to do your research. If you are making a ridiculous statement that implies plagiarism, and you expect people to take you seriously and have intellectual discourse, you should do research. Cite some sources to back up your claims. Quote something from the text(s) that you are referring to.
    1. Bad Apple's Avatar
      Bad Apple -
      The most important contribution of CRNAs to the practice of anesthesia, although certainly not the first nor the last, is the concept of a trained professional providing anesthesia during surgical procedures. Prior to nurses specializing in anesthesia care, the "anesthetist" was typically the least senior medical student available during the case, because the doctors wanted to watch the surgery, not attend to the patient. Anesthesia did not become a physician specialty until nurses had already firmly established the professional role and practice of the anesthetist.

      I could go on, but I think this alone answers the question.
    1. Esper's Avatar
      Esper -
      There is an entire text written by CRNAs call "Nurse Anesthesia" by John Nagelhout. Many chapters in the book were written by my former PD who had a Phd in physiology and is CRNA.

      Nagelhout himself has published many articles. A former OB instructor, Feidler, at my program wrote tons of articles on OB anesthesia. He was so prolific in research that he also taught our research class, as well as owning the most successful anesthesia group in the area.

      The newest video laryngoscope (the copilot VL) is a product by a CRNA. As good as a glidescope, 1/3 the cost. I want you to know when you see it that a CRNA is becoming very rich from his invention.

      I would have an NP/PA as my sole PCP anytime. I would also have one for my critical care provider if the PA/NP had done a fellowship.

      So redic, thank you for helping pass the time. I do enjoy easily won debates.
    1. Redic's Avatar
      Redic -
      Quote Originally Posted by deemo21 View Post
      The burden of proof is on the person that makes the statement. I am not here to do your research. If you are making a ridiculous statement that implies plagiarism, and you expect people to take you seriously and have intellectual discourse, you should do research. Cite some sources to back up your claims. Quote something from the text(s) that you are referring to.
      Not implying pliagarism. Books usually are written based on other book/published papers which are MD based. Also, if care provided and fee paid is the same, why not have an MD with more extensive training!
    1. RAYMAN's Avatar
      RAYMAN -
      Isn't there an AA forum somewhere? Or does a MDA have to start and supervise it first?
    1. Bad Apple's Avatar
      Bad Apple -
      Quote Originally Posted by Redic View Post
      Not implying pliagarism. Books usually are written based on other book/published papers which are MD based. Also, if care provided and fee paid is the same, why not have an MD with more extensive training!
      So when Dr. Stoelting cites Dr. Miller, clearly he is "copying" by your standards.
    1. Esper's Avatar
      Esper -
      Quote Originally Posted by RAYMAN View Post
      Isn't there an AA forum somewhere? Or does a MDA have to start and supervise it first?
      Burn!
    1. MmacFN's Avatar
      MmacFN -
      You are funny and clearly not too bright.

      You come here making claims which you have proven already you cannot back up. I work without MDAs I know what you do not (and apparently alot more).

      Just a quick quote for you since you seem unable to answer any questions.

      "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

      You come with claims and no evidence you dont get to ask more questions. The burden of proof is ON YOU since i already have proven my point.

      PS my primary care provider is an FNP.

      Quote Originally Posted by Redic View Post
      [
      You might do a little research here. There has been significant development either in conjunction with MDAs or by CRNAs.
      How many drugs were developed by MDAs?

      Name one development or research by a CRNA



      The contribution to research is less by CRNAs than by MDAs. However, you seem to leave out that MDAs in academic settings are paid to do such research whereas CRNAs do not have the same opportunities. However, with the propagation of the doctorate for CRNAs I believe more of this will be seen.

      This is going to be a long wait.


      Wow, that is quite a statement "copied from books". I implore you to PROVE that one.

      Have you been able to prove otherwie?


      As for the books, im confused at why this matters. At the end of the day we have proven to have the same outcomes without MDAs as they have on their own.

      It proves zero contribution to advancing the practice of anesthesia.



      I find this laughable. Of course medical school isnt equal to nursing school. They are entirely different. The best thing is we dont have to compare them at all simply compare the OUTCOMES and you see the end result is no different. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.

      Back door entry into patient care field if you cannot be a MD.


      Only fellowship trained critical care MDAs should be working there otherwise I do not believe they have the training to do it. In the APN world Critical Care APNs do, in fact, run ICUs.

      Quality will not be the same.




      Bud, how is this even relevant.

      In my OR ive personally done anesthesia for the Chief of surgery, 2 surgeons wives, 2 surgeons, 3 MDs who are not surgeons and about 1/3rd of the staff who have had surgery. They all could have the choice to have an MDA do the anesthesia by request but they elected to choose me. Why do you suppose this is? Proof is in the pudding that is what it is.

      No self respecting surgeon would do that. You also did not answer if you would have an APN as your PCP.


      BTW, thanks for coming out but frankly, you are out of your depth.
      [/QUOTE]
    1. neopusher's Avatar
      neopusher -
      Quote Originally Posted by RAYMAN View Post
      Isn't there an AA forum somewhere? Or does a MDA have to start and supervise it first?
    1. Bryan R. Reynolds's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Redic View Post
      How did the CRNA profession start? The surgeon would direct a nurse to administer anesthetic to the patient. What has been your contribution to the development of the speciality. What drug or technique was discovered by a CRNA? What is your contribution to research? You still read books written by MDAs or books copied from books written by MDAs. If CRNA is equal to MDAs, you are telling us that medical school is equal to nursing school. MDAs can work as intensivists and manage patients in ICUs. Why are CRNAs not stating that they should also be allowed to do critical care. Is it because critical care is too much for a Crna . Also, when discussing physicians vs non physician providers, how many CRNAs have a non physician provider as their PCP? Think!
      My PC -Practitioner is a NP, is that the question?
      Or, is your question related to the fact that MDA's do research cuz I am conducting research now as a SRNA?
      Or, is your question about non-physician provider efficacy because they are all comparable to the MDs. Maybe the medical community needs to change thier training regimen. We dont shine our boots anymore in the military...
    1. bettermj's Avatar
      bettermj -
      I go see an FNP after years of horrible care from a GP.

      I hear the roosters claim they make the sun rise every morning, too.
    1. Goose's Avatar
      Goose -
      FNP here. Easier to get in to see her anyway.
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