Allnurses...

[RN29306]

Oh I just couldn't help myself. :behindsofa:


Allnurses post by your truly...after someone mentioned another website.

Thread conveniently found at http://allnurses.com/forums/f227/if-youre-thinking-about-making-jump-125882.html. Mine is found as post number 5, most likely it will be there for long.

So much for the filter and my tenure of over 500 posts there.

[berry]

Yeah that should last awhile, I tried to add it to the sticky about anesthesia website(the list that has been added to since 12/04). I noticed the filter then my post was just deleted within hours never got message about it or anything.

[RAYMAN]

Funny....I looked at it about 10 minutes ago...then within about 3 minutes I noticed I couldn't access it...said I "didn't have administrative priviliedges" to do so. Then poof.....the whole thread disappeared! They are too much. I just posted a thread on there about censorship, a personal pet peeve, just to see how long it lasts.

[MmacFN]

yup its all gone

[deliciousbass]

Read the thread earlier and RN29306's post was available. Went back a few hours later and the post was removed and the thread closed. So, I posted a new thread explaining my confusion about selected anesthesia sites being allowed to be posted and some not. Got a nice private message explaining to me that my thread would be moved to a different forum deemed more appropriate and a nice little PM that if I had questions about certain websites being approved I could contact the moderators.

Oh yeah...the forum my thread was moved to...private staff forum section that I was not allowed to access. They are clever over there:salook:

[gobucks1013]

Tried to read it just a minute ago and the thread is now closed. They must have deleted your post RN29306.

Out of curiosity, what did it say?

[berry]

It is back now only rn and yoga’s post are gone and it states they are happy to add www.srnas.com to the sticky about anesthesia websites. Man its downright militant over there.

[RN29306]

Tried to read it just a minute ago and the thread is now closed. They must have deleted your post RN29306.

Out of curiosity, what did it say?

Something to the effect of "since we are all sitting here exchanging anesthesia website information with each other, i'd like to make my contribution and tried to list the website over here." Of course the nazi filter resulted in this showing: http://********. So then i spelled out the letters to get past the filter.

Some user came behind me saying that he was suprised I wasnt booted yet and it was indeed quite odd how some sites were allowed and some were banned.

My next post was "yeah, makes you wonder their 'selection process'.

Hilarious. Freaking 'tards over there.

[wannaBaCRNA]

Something to the effect of "since we are all sitting here exchanging anesthesia website information with each other, i'd like to make my contribution and tried to list the website over here." Of course the nazi filter resulted in this showing: http://********. So then i spelled out the letters to get past the filter.

Some user came behind me saying that he was suprised I wasnt booted yet and it was indeed quite odd how some sites were allowed and some were banned.

My next post was "yeah, makes you wonder their 'selection process'.

Hilarious. Freaking 'tards over there.


Yeah, I must have just happened to log on before they erased your posts and closed the thread! It was hilarious:pound:
Thank God I made it in time, otherwise I wouldn't be here posting right now:laugh:

[ADMIN]

It truly is a sad state of affairs.

I do not understand how the allnurses people feel this looks positively upon them. It is unfortunate the display of immaturity they have fallen to.


Yeah, I must have just happened to log on before they erased your posts and closed the thread! It was hilarious:pound:
Thank God I made it in time, otherwise I wouldn't be here posting right now:laugh:

[gobucks1013]

I think I may have to post something over there to find out why there is such a big deal about naming this site.

Is it because they think this site is affecting their bottom line (i.e. $$$$)?

Seriously, what is up with all the animosity?! It sounds like they all need to have a stiff martini, smoke a cigarette and maybe get laid a little more... oops, did I just say that out loud? :tapedshut:

[MmacFN]

Hey Sue

Really, i dont know. I announced that i had a surprise for everyone and made a post with the link to this free site. The next thing i knew my post was removed and when i tried to log in and ask why i found my IP banned. I still cannot see allnurses to this day.

They are all about the bottom line and you can bet the owner is always considering that. With hundreads of thousands of users i dont see why they are concerned with my site.

They told me that is clearly states in the Terms of Service that you cannot "advertise" a site, listserve or otherwise on allnurses. Seems that this only actually applied to me as many sites have been posted and listed which are similar to mine.

To this day they have never explained themselves.

Im sure its about the Benjamins cause theyt like this ---> :censored:

[WickedNurseRed]

Seriously, what is up with all the animosity?! It sounds like they all need to have a stiff martini, smoke a cigarette and maybe get laid a little more... oops, did I just say that out loud? :tapedshut:

:pound:

Blasphemy! (kidding).

There used to be a lot of witty banter over there between intelligent adults, and it was a fun way to blow off some steam. Then there was this big blowup several years ago, where some of the most prevalent members were banned. After that, the half-wits seemed to take over, and everything is completely different now. I think it's a real shame that some of you were banned for mentioning this website, especially in light of the fact that some total trolls are allowed to run amok.

Admittedly, I occasionally lurk around over there, only because I have some dysfunctional inability to stay away permanently.

[darienblythe79]

Ok, Mike your website is getting around as some one has given you kudos and is promoting your site on allnurses.....Check it out!
http://allnurses.com/forums/f227/alternative-loans-heres-what-ive-found-103967-16.html

Word of mouth is stronger than they are.

[MmacFN]

hehehe

[yoga]

I am so tired of the all-nurses issue, so I posted this on that forum.
Am sure I will get banned--will let you know.

Yoga

underlined is my post on all-nurses


The time has come for me to post my opinion about a very serious issue that has developed on this site. There has been another internet site developed by a young man who will be entering anesthesia school shortly. His name is Mike and we first met him here and his posts showed intelligence, enthusiasm and an unusual quest for knowledge about the profession, getting into school, finding financing, reading and studying anesthesia. His web site is free (will always be) and is free of advertising. Over 600 have joined and are active participants. There is a VERY active live chat going almost every evening with perspective students, SRNAs and CRNAs participating. It is wonderful to share thoughts, debate issues and even develp friendships.

Why I am mentioning this here, is because the owners of All-Nurses have banned Mike because he posted information about his site. This board will not even allow us to post the name of that site and appear to monitor even private messages to censor the name of that site. That is most unfortunate, because education is powerful and is the goal of the other site.

What is also interesting is how many people, over "there" are very upset over the "nurse mentality" of this site in censoring the information about the new site. I am convinced that this is an indication of why CRNAs are a higher level of professionals and why we like to distance ourselves as far away from organized nursing as possible.

I will continue to monitor this board and occasionally post, until I am banned, which will probably be today.

It is quite frightening that the owners of this board are so big into censorship of a site that is obviously educational in nature. There is room for both boards and it is too bad that the people who could benefit from a board specific to nurse anesthetists are not able to obtain information about it from this site. Also, this site has allowed information to be posted about other anesthesia related boards. Seems like we have both censorship and discrimination. This is America, right?

I understand the Terms of Service of this forum and that you have the right to set them. However, it is most difficult for me to understand why you are not interested in education and knowledge. Maybe it is the nurse mentality or maybe it is about money. You may censor me, but you won't keep me quiet.

Let the flack begin.

By the way the other site is: <*********************>. You will not be able to read it (censorship) so I will post it on two lines.
nurse-anesthesia
.org

yoga crna, jd

[RAYMAN]

You worded that very nicely. My patience with issues of censorship, etc are such that I don't think I could have been as tactful. I really like the points you brought out. Well done.

Ray

[MmacFN]

huhuhu

this should be interesting

[yoga]

it took All-Nurses less than 10 minutes to remove it. See their post to me, below.


Hello, yoga crna,

I moved your thread to the admin feedback where it is more appropriate.

You will receive comments there by administration.

siri
co-administrator

I will let you know what comments I receive from adminstration.
Yoga

[MmacFN]

it appears to already be deleted. I cannot find it

[berry]

Yoga i dont even see your post over there

[yoga]

They did delete it within minutes. Below is a post I made on administrators forum. Again, the underlined area is what I posted on all-nurses. By the way, I don't care if people know who I am. Don't have anything to hide.

Jan

To the administrators.

I have cut and pasted my original post to the other web site, so they can see what I wrote. I have also posted the fact that you removed it within minutes of my posting. This would be understandable if it was obscene or violated copyright laws.

Censorship is of great concern to me and I hope you realize this could backfire on you. You may want to reconsider your policy. I am wondering how your advertisers and sponsors view your policies of being anti-education and knowledge.

I have personally met Mike MacKinnon, the owner of the other site and found him to be intelligent and eager to learn. He would have been asset to your site, as well as his own.

Please reconsider your actions for the betterment of the profession.

Mary Jeanette Mannino, CRNA, JD
yoga crna

[yoga]

Will see if I get a response and what it is. My next move will be to send a copy to all of their advertisers and sponsors.

Don't p... off a Sicilian!!

Jan

[gobucks1013]

Yoga, your posts were very professional and eloquent but yet you assertively communicated your point to those igorant fools. I loved your commentary on CRNAs distancing themselves from organized nursing. I was just thinking that very same thing this morning. It's the sad, unfortunate truth.

Thanks for being such a wonderful asset to the anesthesia community and for standing up for Mike and the value of this site!

[MmacFN]

Update

In a new low of Censorship Allnurses has expanded their filter to try and block your attempts to post the website with spaces. Look at the titles now. It appears it has backfired and they censored the words nurse and anesthesia when used togeather along with the "-". Thanks to "nascom" for emailing me this tidbit.

Here is a paste:

Sticky: History of ***** ********** (http://allnurses.com/forums/f227/history-171374.html) NRSKarenRN

Lol

What morons.

[RAYMAN]

I posted this site on the anesthesia website sticky yesterday and it has been filtered, deleted or edited yet.....I'm sure it's just a matter of time. I posted in a way that I didn't think could be construed as adverstising, etc.

[skipaway]

Apparently, they've adjusted their filters to allow the words "nurse and anesthesia" through again. This has been very interesting.

I'd also like to know what the difference is between Mike's site and the many "legal anesthesia sites" that are under the "anesthesia links section" of allnurses. They've just posted a legal site for SRNAs that a group of students posted. Confused? I'd say yes.

[MmacFN]

The fellow who emailed me "Nascom" from allnurses is also here but wishes to remain anon. He told me he has been banned from allnurses as of now.

for "Violation of the TOS"

How sad.

We should consider if the AANA would be interested in knowing how Allnurses is censoring education and anesthesia.

[RAYMAN]

Ok, this has just gotten to be a game for me now...like cat and mouse. Although, seeing how my quarry is of a limited intellect it isn't hard....but still fun in my own perverted way. It took them 26.5 hours to find and edited the site out of my post. When I tried to put it back it wouldn't let me, however comma I tried it again but put a space between each letter and it worked. It seems to be done by Siri..and she is from my state....I'm ashamed.

[skipaway]

Yes, he had started a post regarding the censorship that was going on over there. It was only a matter of time. I'm not sure what the AANA can do unless they advertise on the site.

[ADMIN]

Hey

I would not expect the AANA to do anything to allnazis.com However, i would think they might not endorse such a site to CRNAs or SRNAs in anyform if they knew what was going on there.

Sad that censorship has gone this far.


Yes, he had started a post regarding the censorship that was going on over there. It was only a matter of time. I'm not sure what the AANA can do unless they advertise on the site.

[athomas91]

as for the OP - Rich Haas is great - i work w/ him and they have what seems ( early on) to be a great program started at york..

[DebbieC]

I was thinking about all the people out there in allnurses.com CRNA space who don't know yet about this site. If it hadn't been for someome posting on the sly there about this site, I would never have found out about it.

So I decided to do my part for the effort. After finding the great compilation on this site related to student loans, I went to that 18 page long thread on allnurses.com re: getting student loans, and referenced this site as the place to find the compilation. It lasted about 12 hours till SIRI edited it. Hopefully, my post led someone to this site.

I felt like a missionary among the heathens. "Yeah, brethren, there is a BETTER WAY!":pound: :pound:

Sister Debbie

let us pray......

[assilem]

xrl.us/suek
we use xrl frequently in my house. i posted it on allnurses, wonder if they'll catch that one. http://metamark.net/

[yoga]

I just checked all-nurses and realized I have been permanently banned. Believe me, I have been thrown out of better places.:Flush:

Now it is time to inform the advertisers and sponsors. It will be interesting to see their take on censorship.

I am not in my mellow yoga mode today.

Jan

[wannaBaCRNA]

Ya know, Allnuts has really gotten to be quite a joke lately! They are definitely practicing not only censorship, but discrimination. As Mr T. would put it: I pity the fools!

[berry]

To ban you yoga, the greatest asset allnurses has had for years is a tremendous loss to the knowledge base they enjoy. Your posts over the years have help shape myself as well as countless other from wannabes into srnas and crnas. Your enthusiasm for the profession as well as extensive knowledge base is what energized so many. I have enjoyed the almost train wreck mentality of people posting from one board to the other and seeing what we could post or how long it is stays up, but I plan to post one final post on allnurses then never return because every click they receive is counted to set advertising rates. I suggest we all say goodbye and never return to allnurses. Just my 2 cents

[wannaBaCRNA]

I agree with you berry.....I won't log onto 'Allnuts' again.

[assilem]

i won't either. glad i found mike's site, b4 all of this started.
Allnurse's reply to me
You have been banned for the following reason:
TOS
Date the ban will be lifted: 10-28-2007, 06:00 PM

[RAYMAN]

I was thinking about all the people out there in allnurses.com CRNA space who don't know yet about this site. If it hadn't been for someome posting on the sly there about this site, I would never have found out about it.

So I decided to do my part for the effort. After finding the great compilation on this site related to student loans, I went to that 18 page long thread on allnurses.com re: getting student loans, and referenced this site as the place to find the compilation. It lasted about 12 hours till SIRI edited it. Hopefully, my post led someone to this site.

I felt like a missionary among the heathens. "Yeah, brethren, there is a BETTER WAY!":pound: :pound:

Sister Debbie

let us pray......


And the brothers and sisters said "AMEN"

[FutrCRNA]

And the brothers and sisters said "AMEN"

"I will cut off the horns of all the wicked..." Psalm 75:10 :firedevil:

Saw 'em off! (And all the Aggies in the group say, "Whoop!")

[DebbieC]

Well, now I'm PMing this site's addy to complete strangers who are regular posters to the CRNA boards at allnurses. I wised up and post the addy of this website in all kinds of ways, so it doesn't get autoblocked.

One wuss already forwarded my PM to an administrator and scolded me for sending 'unsolicited emails'. I thought an email and a board-related PM were different things.... silly me.

When I was looking around on allnurses, I noticed that it no longer says "banned" under Mike's name on his posts. In fact, his profile even comes up when his name is clicked on.

After i saw the srna.org site linked, I really became pissed.

[MmacFN]

yah

But believe me, im still banned ;) It says " Sorry. The administrator has banned your IP address."

[DebbieC]

IT'S OFFICIAL!!! I AM JOINING AN ILLUSTRIOUS GROUP!!

(no, I didn't get accepted into school yet...first interview in 2 days)



:invasion:



I BEEN BANNED.......WOW....feels awesome.....



Sister Debbie

[TranMan]

ok you all. I haven't been posting lately and have just gotten around to reading this thread. So if this hasn't been suggested already....what if you all signed up for accounts on sites that all nurses will allow to be linked to. You can then advertise or link to this site via the other anesthesia sites. This way Allnurses.com will help us advertise ourselves indirectly whether they like it or not. We can get some good exposure for this site by advertising it on the those other sites. What do you all think?

The only choice they would have is to filter out all sites advertise there to prevent people from coming here. :pound:

[assilem]

welcome to the club
:shakehands:

[skipaway]

Posted at 1:37pm, his 1st post, let's see how long it lasts.

http://allnurses.com/forums/f8/ordermind-website-189442.html

[skipaway]

it's gone! 2:03pm

The thread was posted by someone from Sweden. He is a psychic and has a new website, whereby, he'll give you a psychic reading for free! 1st time only, the rest of the readings are charged.

http://www.ordermind.com

He said type in "freebie" next to your name and you'll get a free reading.

[assilem]

already gone.....

[assilem]

was it on this thread?
Not trying to stir up bad ideas, but......

I personally liked this statement :

"We have specific requirements in IN for APN that are in excess of what CRNAs bring to the table. Of course CRNAs have the option of going to NP school for 2 years if they really want to be treated as APNs."

[MmacFN]

i read that and laughed aloud. I also checked the BON website which dosent seem to backup what he says

[RAYMAN]

Has anyone noticed a change, I assume this is new, on allnazis? I just made a coupla posts, save the stones, and noticed they didn't post. I hit the back button and you know when you hit submit and the message flashes up....anyone ever read it? It now says: "your post will be submitted to the thread after it has been approved by a moderator"! Jeez

[yoga]

Ray,
Not only will they read it, they will edit out any parts they don't like. Yet they let a doctor (paindoc) post incorrect information and don't do a thing. Typical nurse thing--"anything you say doctor".

I still check it daily for PMs from people who want to know why I don't post anymore. I try to tell them how to get over here.

Jan

[RAYMAN]

Jan, I guess you were reading my mind since you can't read my post yet, because that is exactly what I was doing....refuting paindoc. Since rayman was banned forever, I have a different alias now on there in case I can't control the urge to post.....there's an old ac/dc song called "givin the dog a bone". :)

[RN29306]

Not playing conspiracy theorist here, but those of you still left unbanned at this point are all tagged for moderation before your post can be displayed. And I wonder why...

[FutrCRNA]

Then why doesn't Mike ban the bastard?! Fair is fair, afterall...

[RAYMAN]

Then why doesn't Mike ban the bastard?! Fair is fair, afterall...

I bet Mike doesn't want to lower himself/ourselves to their less than professional level. I could understand that reasoning. Despite the fact that they claim to have over 125,000 members thus making our membership 0.56% of theirs, they have lost their highest quality members. The cream has departed and only the sludge is left. Those who seek quality and professionalism will seek it out.

[assilem]

oh that's funny

[deepz]

.........they have lost their highest quality members. The cream has left and the sludge is left. .........


For years I have drawn this analogy about the world of anesthesia: it's like a strange pool where the cream of nursing rises to mix with the dregs of medicine. Coagulation Zone!


d

[FutrCRNA]

For years I have drawn this analogy about the world of anesthesia: it's like a strange pool where the cream of nursing rises to mix with the dregs of medicine. Coagulation Zone!


d

That is hysterical!!! :pound:

[gasmn2b]

Not playing conspiracy theorist here, but those of you still left unbanned at this point are all tagged for moderation before your post can be displayed. And I wonder why...

Silly me!!!!! I noticed this the other day when I posted on allnurses and couldn't figure it out. This all has started since the beginning of school and I have had little time to keep up with the Jones's, per se. Now that I have read this entire thread a lightbulb has gone on upstairs. I really feel like going and trying to post the web site just to see exactly how long it will take for me to get banned. But isn't that really beneath me? :heh: Probably not, huh? It is really a sad state that censorship and discrimination has reached such a level in this country. I'm still glad it was around when I was learning about the nuances of school, but now I plan to spend my time here learning and helping others along the path so many of us have traveled or are traveling.

[yoga]

I sent this today to all-nurses. After I realized they had lifted my ban, I posted a few times again to answer incorrect information about our profession, only to find that important information had been edited out. But, I am being intellectually dishonest to myself and my profession to continue to post there. I wanted all of you to see what I posted there.
Jan


I no longer wish to be a subscriber to All-Nurses.com. I find that by selective censorship, you discriminate against some of us who express our opinions by editing parts of our posts, yet do not edit other posts, who for some reason you have determined that their opinion should stay. The First Amendment is alive and well in this country, but it seems that your moderators are not aware of what free speech means.

As you are well aware, I have been a popular contributor to your forum and have made friends and have enjoyed mentoring young anesthetist and nurses who are interested in our profession. In the past, I have told many nurses about your site and have added to the number of people who view it. I will now make every effort to discourage people from subscribing to this forum.

Furthermore, as for nurse anesthetists, the website set up by Mike MacKinnon is excellent and fits the more progressive intelligent culture of our profession. Mr. MacKinnon has correctly determined that there will be minimal moderation and no advertising on his site. That determination has been extremely well accepted by anesthesia people and has led to the more professional self-censoring. It is a pleasure to be a major contributor to that site.

It is with sadness that I make this request to unsubscribe. As someone who has always been a highly regarded professional, a past-president of the AANA, and a clinician who loves her work, it saddens me that "all-nurses" has lowered its standards to permit selective censorship and discrimination.

yoga crna
Mary Jeanette Mannino, CRNA, JD

copy sent to AANA, Exeuctive Director and President and posted on nurse-anesthesia.org

[RN29306]

Now that I have read this entire thread a lightbulb has gone on upstairs. I really feel like going and trying to post the web site just to see exactly how long it will take for me to get banned.

About 2.2 seconds seems to be the average time.....









Of course I'm talking time from post to ban on allnurses you pervs. :)

[RN29306]

Wow Jan. Very impressive!

You go girl.

[ADMIN]

Thanks J

I changed the website to ".org" for yah instead of ".com" :P

[FutrCRNA]

About 2.2 seconds seems to be the average time.....









Of course I'm talking time from post to ban on allnurses you pervs. :)


I'm sorry, RN29306, but that type of innuendo and language is not appreciated on this forum. Perhaps you could exercise a little of that self-censorship that yoga spoke of....okay, I couldn't even type that with a straight face!!! :pound: You crack me up!

And, Jan...awesome post! Not that it will matter to the allnazis.

[RAYMAN]

Jan, as always, thorough, well-thought out, succinct and very professional. It's a pleasure to be in the company of professionals.

[CRNA06]

Nicely done! I only wish I could be a fly on the wall in the administrative forums to see all the cackling going on over there! Their censorship has really brought down a once-great website.

Paul

[TranMan]

Thank you Yoga. I'm glad we have you on our side. Those Moderators over there are far gone with their selective censorship. I hope AANA stops supporting them in any shape or form.

[jwk]

Ha - even I am now getting pre-screened with my posts on allnurses. Who woulda thunk?

[MmacFN]

now thats funny right there i dont care who you are :P

:hmmmm2:

[RAYMAN]

Historically, censorship and exclusion have been tools of the truly ignorant and insecure.............actions speak louder than words!

[RN29306]

How about, in honor of noticing our past,
we put up useless ads in our posts
that take up space and ruin the flow of the thread.
After all, its only about the pie isn't it?



Here's a toast to Mike for not being a sellout.

Happy Holidays from Drew.

[deepz]

Yah, stupid ad placement.

They've taken to going back and erasing posts of mine that might be found disagreeable by the MDAs apparently.

WHATever.............!

[yoga]

If the tee shirt thing takes off, I think Mike should advertise them on all-nurses.:salook:

yoga

[RAYMAN]

If the tee shirt thing takes off, I think Mike should advertise them on all-nurses.:salook:

yoga


BRILLIANT!

[RAYMAN]

Enough is enough! Here is a copy of the email I just sent allnazi's administration. It's my alias since rayman was banned. Can't even stand to lurk anymore!


Please cancel my membership effective immediately. I am tired of your childish, insular and foolish policies. All of your editing and censoring not only flies in the face of competive capitalism and the first ammendment but is an insult to professionals in general and me in particular because as a veteran and student registered nurse anesthetist I am not only a professional but I have sacrificed part of my life to defend those freedoms you mock. I will continue to be an active member of nurse-anesthesia.org as it is the preferred site for anesthesia professionals and adult Americans. As for allnurses.com, I do not have the time nor the patience to indulge such foolishness.

Sincerely,
Ray Howard, RN, CCRN, BSN, SRNA

[deepz]

C'mon, Ray -- tell us how you really feel!!!


Enough is enough! Here a copy of the email I just sent allnazi's administration. It's my alias since rayman was banned. Can't even stand to lurk anymore!

[MmacFN]

heheheh

[RAYMAN]

C'mon, Ray -- tell us how you really feel!!!

LOL..........believe me deep, my inner sailor was dying to come out but I wanted to maintain a "certain level". Besides, I already called them a bunch asswipes earlier. :beerglass:

[FutrCRNA]

Do the jackasses at allnazis ever reply to these awesome "kiss off" letters y'all send?

[RAYMAN]

It's been over 24 hours and I haven't heard from them yet................perhaps I broke the censors....bwhahaha

[C'smommy]

The downside to everybody getting banned is that there will be nobody left to set the record straight when people who are not CRNA's spout off about things they no nothing about. The thread that is annoying me most right now is "CRNA's are here to stay" which has degenerated down into claims that CRNA's are "shift workers" and how many more hours the MDA's work. Makes me want to hurl.

[RAYMAN]

C'smommy, you have a very good point, however the truth remains that those that are in charge there really do not care to have the record be set straight or the truth be told. Case in point: the thread of which you spoke, there is a new one, aquaphone or something, that is making all these posts in the anesthesia forum at will. Despite the fact of her extensive education in her associate degree, she is allowed to post whatever she likes....we post and we get censored, banned, etc. They can't handle the truth.

[gobucks1013]

C'smommy has a great point. I was just thinking this very same thing theo other day as I was perusing the lastest BS over there. There seems to be a few docs that want to hangout and terrorize the CRNA forum. Being as though, my posts are being 'monitored' I can't very well circumvent the process to get the word out about this site.

I agree that we still need a few folks to regulate some sh*t over there. Otherwise we are just allowing people to propagate ignorance about our profession.

Check out the latest bunch of hooey being spewed in a thread titled "Not trying to stir up bad ideas...":

Originally Posted by skipaway:

Anesthesiology is the practice and study of anesthesia. Nurses and Doctors both practice and study anesthesia. It's a matter of semantics. The ASA wants the public to only associate Doctors with the "ology" part of the word. But as a CRNA, I definately practice and study anesthesia so I feel I can use the words Nurse Anesthesiology if I want to. I'm sure Yoga CRNA will have a response for you too.

The response by someone named Sc with an undesignated specialty listed in his/her profile (gee I wonder what that specialty is...hmmm):

an·es·the·si·ol·o·gy (ns-thz-l-j)
n. The medical specialty concerned with the pharmacological, physiological, and clinical basis of anesthesia, including resuscitation, intensive respiratory care, and pain management. MEDICAL specialty -- not nursing.


My response to this fool:

Well sc, I guess you must be right b/c Webster's says so?! Are you kidding? Please explain the difference to me then b/t 'anesthesia practice' and 'anesthesiology' with respect to the above definition you were so kind to point out to us confused anesthetists.

I'm not sure what type of backround you have. Your profile didn't specify, but I certainly hope you are not a CRNA or anywhere in the process of becoming a CRNA. My guess is perhaps you are a doc who feels threatened by the prospect that the term "anesthesiology" may not be strictly reserved for use by MDAs only.

I'm tired of the bickering on this issue. I have never nor will I ever claim to be the educational equivalent of an MD, but I wholeheartedly agree with the previously mentioned assertions that the practice of anesthesia by CRNAs is equal to that of MDAs. Not ALL CRNAs are neccessarily equal to their MDA counterparts and VISE VERSA. I think studies have shown the general statement holds true though, as far as the quality of anesthetic care is concerned.

Just FYI, my hospital badge says "Department of Anesthesiology". I suppose I should petition HR to change it to "Department of Nurse Anesthesia"...

Sorry this post was kinda long, but this is the crap that is going down over there. We need continue to have a voice in response to these idiots.

[MmacFN]

Hey Sue

In a way i wish thee could be some impact over there. On the otherhand, you reap what you sew. The owners of that site have clearly shown, with actions, that they have no interest in CRNAs or supporting the profession. That NurseKaren idiot injects herself into every discussion and every tom dick and harry posts in the forum at will as experts on Anesthesia.

No matter what anyone tries to do, its twarted. I just dont see that attitude changing over there. They are censoring CRNAs and SRNAs yet allowing this physician to propogate ignorance. From my perspective, the best way to fight that sort of dictatorship is to not post and let the forum decline into obscurity. It seems that all other attempts seem to do is promote the negative behavior.

Remember, that site is in it for the money. Its a buisness for Brian to make money and no longer work as an RN. He could give a shit about nursing and specifically CRNAs. We are such a small subset of his userbase he could care less to lose us all. There will never be support for that very reason.

[LouCRNA]

I agree that it is sad that allnurses may be left without some important voices, and that it means that mis-education and plain idiocy may reign supreme. One of my favorite threads right now is "elective primary C-sections" in which one L&D RN has stated that she would never consent to SAB or epidural for c-sec because needles in her back creep her out, and instead says something like "put me to sleep, play your music and do your job...". I've already tried to edify her, and would love to see some other anesthesia people take her to the mat, but there are so few of us left over there it would seem. I mean this forum is great, and I love having a dedicated place to go to talk with other anesthesia folks. But we don't provide anesthesia in a vacuum, and it makes me sad that so many great voices in anesthesia are now cut off from the opportunity to discuss, educate, argue with, and otherwise mingle with some of our non-anesthesia nursing colleagues.

[MmacFN]

They are back at it again.

One of our members here just PM'd me to let me know she was banned without notice after attempting to post a reply to paindoc refuting what he was saying. None of her posts were ever posted and she was only a member for about 2 weeks.

There was apparently no PM from them, no warning, no email just outright banned. She also said there was nothing in her posts that was against the TOS except she said "Unless the truth is illegal".

She has emailed them to find out why she was banned and will get back to me with a reply.

Should be funny.

[RAYMAN]

She won't find out...no one ever does. They just hide behind that facade of self-righteousness and are afraid to come out.

[deepz]

You may notice Craig Copelin is no longer associated.

Owner must not give a snit.

[MmacFN]

yup

he is here now for that very reason.

[Frogger]

I am new to this site and lucky for me I was able to find the link on allnurses before it was quickly deleted! I appreciate those of you who posted the name over there, even if it only lasted for a few minutes, so a fortunate few could find our way here! What an amazing resource it is here--no more promoting allnurses for me with their crazy selective censorship :tapedshut:

[PropofolDiva]

I think that most potential nurse anesthesia students will find out about this site despite the censorship at allnurses. I found this site through yahoo. I just typed in Nurse Anesthetist forum and this was the 1st or 2nd site listed. So if one is determined to seek information about the profession, they will find this site easily.

[MmacFN]

Cool :)

glad to hear that its finally coming up on the search engines ;)

[wtbcrna]

Out of curiosity....Why has nobody ever filed a BBB complaint against allnurses? They clearly are discriminating by allowing posting of certain websites vs. others. If nothing else it will ruin their perfect BBB record of zero complaints.


Just a thought:salook:

[RAYMAN]

Out of curiosity....Why has nobody ever filed a BBB complaint against allnurses? They clearly are discriminating by allowing posting of certain websites vs. others. If nothing else it will ruin their perfect BBB record of zero complaints.


Just a thought:salook:
And how does one go about doing this?

[wtbcrna]

It should be done by the owner of the site or his representative, but basically you just go to http://www.bbb.org/ and follow the directions.