Doctorate of NA??

[gman215]

So how much longer until a program gets implemented where there is a doctorate program for nurse anesthesia?? Or would it be best to get one in general nursing before doing CRNA? And wouldn't it be possible to be the MDA(equivalent) for the ACT?

[Chaos]

St. Mary's in Minneapolis is already working on the doctorate so it's up and running when it needs to be. I don't see any advantage to obtaining a doctorate in nursing then going for the CRNA program. Just more headaches for you. As far as the last question, that's a hot topic for the MD's. You wouldn't be an MD, and I don't even want to touch on whether you'd be called "doctor".

[MethaneMan]

I know TCU and Texas Wesleyan are putting doctorate programs together as we speak...probably to start within the next year. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Virginia Commonwealth already has one in place. May also be others. However, these programs have not replaced their masters programs.

[MmacFN]

I believe VCU has a DNAP program starting up in the near future. I would not personally take a DNP b ut i would consider a DNAP.

As for if it makes u an equivalent to a MD/DO, No. Nothing will ever make you a true equivalent since you would not have attended medical school. What you are as a CRNA NOW is a functional equivalent within the confines of the OR. That means everything from pre-op to PACU.

Its important to remember that anesthesiologists can practice critical care medicine in the ICU and do other things outside the OR that a CRNA cannot.

When it comes to anesthesia, I firmly believe that CRNA are functional equivalents to MDAs. Often the only thing that separates the two in an ACT practice seems to be the policy set forth by the anesthesia department (ie: CRNAs not allowed to do regionals). These policies are often decided by anesthesiologists.

As for the title "Doctor" in the clinical setting, i think if your not an MD/DO it is unethical and dishonest to use this title. Laymen associate "doctor" with MD/DO in the hospital and i think it would confuse them. You dont see PharmD, OT-Ds and PT-Ds calling themselves "Doctor" in the clinical setting. These, in my opinion, are acedemic doctorates which confer the title "Doctor" in the acedemic setting only.

Of course this is all in my own opinion.

[darienblythe79]

TCU's DNP program is set up and starting this August.
http://www.harriscollege.tcu.edu/dnp.asp

[757FR]

TCU's DNP program is set up and starting this August.
http://www.harriscollege.tcu.edu/dnp.asp

Yes...but it is only a DNP program. It is not specefic to anesthesia. Texas Weslyan and VCU are DNAP...for CRNA's only.

[darienblythe79]

I am aware of that, my point was that the program has already been set up and will start soon.

[techgrad29]

I am currently in school at CAMC school of Nurse Anesthesia in Charleston, West Virginia. My school is planning on starting their doctorate program in September of 2008. They had actually planned on starting it this year with my class but something was delayed.

[ethernaut]

Yes...but it is only a DNP program. It is not specefic to anesthesia. Texas Weslyan and VCU are DNAP...for CRNA's only.

the only doctoral programs in conjunction with anesthesia are the Ph.D tracks in physiology and pharmacology. i see nothing of the DNAP label. i've only seen that on VCUs website.
maybe i'm wrong. it happens, i promise.

[armygas]

maybe i'm wrong. it happens, i promise.


Heheh, I hear ya loud and clear on that one, I just was put through the ringer about how much I don't know or can't remember last Thursday :)

[ethernaut]

Heheh, I hear ya loud and clear on that one, I just was put through the ringer about how much I don't know or can't remember last Thursday :)

amen to that one!

[cooksez]

From what I've heard, the AANA's goal and nursing's goal in general is by 2015, ALL advanced practice nursing programs will be doctorate. Reason being, because of the high level of clinical hours, most programs are only a dozen hours short of the doctorate requirement anyway. Why take almost all the needed hours and not get it. Master's will of course be grandfathered in. This from university recruiters fishing in our BSN program.

[jjferg]

I thought it was 2025 they were going to make this a requirement for nurse anesthesia programs.

[deepz]

I thought it was 2025 they were going to make this a requirement for nurse anesthesia programs.


That's the recommendation adopted by AANA, as I understand it. But, in general, those dates inevitably get pushed back.

[MmacFN]

Yup

the current plan for the AANA is 2025. I am hoping that before that time comes there is a push for a DNAP model as opposed to the general DNP model.

I know we have beaten this horse but I just dont see the point in my writing a paper (as i am in my roles of the APN class) about how PAs and NPs are different. Honestly, i dont care. When I asked my prof if i could do something related to CRNA practice she said the topics are set. To me, this is the typical inflexibility that nursing education is known for, the "its my way or the highway" attitude.

[m_playman]

Yup

the current plan for the AANA is 2025. I am hoping that before that time comes there is a push for a DNAP model as opposed to the general DNP model.

I know we have beaten this horse but I just dont see the point in my writing a paper (as i am in my roles of the APN class) about how PAs and NPs are different. Honestly, i dont care. When I asked my prof if i could do something related to CRNA practice she said the topics are set. To me, this is the typical inflexibility that nursing education is known for, the "its my way or the highway" attitude.

Agree with you there. DNP's should be tailored to the profession at hand. Hopefully not a cookie-cutter DNP for all APN's. I'm at the ASF next month, hope to get some decent insight into very topic.

As for your paper, had to do the exact same thing in my NP program. Was relevant in that instance. Agree, can't see how it is of relevance for you.

If I were you, would replace PA with AA and compare towards CRNA practice. Afterall, CRNA's are still APN's and AA's are the PA's of the anesthesia world (minus the prescriptive ability). Don't see what the big deal is? Unless, she doesn't know the differences herself and would be too much effort to brush up on the topic before having to grade it.....what's that mantra again? :tapedshut:

[wtbcrna]

Yup

the current plan for the AANA is 2025. I am hoping that before that time comes there is a push for a DNAP model as opposed to the general DNP model.

I know we have beaten this horse but I just dont see the point in my writing a paper (as i am in my roles of the APN class) about how PAs and NPs are different. Honestly, i dont care. When I asked my prof if i could do something related to CRNA practice she said the topics are set. To me, this is the typical inflexibility that nursing education is known for, the "its my way or the highway" attitude.

That is kinda of funny about your paper. We had to write a position paper on the DNP in our roles class. The school even had the AACN president come out and talk to us. She gives a very convincing speech on DNP, but I still didn't agree with required course curriculum. It is basically just a rehash of the MSN core courses all over again.

[Nancicrna08]

University of Maryland will start its program for the class of 2010. At this time I am not sure if it is a DNP or a DNAP program- nothing posted on the website yet. The school of nursing has a DNP program already in place- have not heard if adaptions will be made to make a specific DNAP program.