Texas Wesleyan entering c/o 2012

[smellygas07]

Just wanted to start a forum to get to know those accepted to wesleyan to start this coming fall. Just got my letter today and super excited.

[Bazinga]

A word of advice from an SRNA in the class 1 year ahead of you; if you or someone else has not already started a private Facebook group for the class, I would certainly recommend it. More than 90% of our class is on our group and it has been a very useful tool for giving everyone a common place to ask and answer questions, exchange ideas etc. Good luck, I know you cant wait to get started!

[JoshSRNA]

Yep, I made a private Facebook page for our class, and it's great. Good for keeping everyone on the same page, asking questions, complaining, etc. Just make sure it's PRIVATE! Don't want Big Brother to be in on the conversation...

ETA: I don't go to TWU...FYI

[bettermj]

Yep, I made a private Facebook page for our class, and it's great. Good for keeping everyone on the same page, asking questions, complaining, etc. Just make sure it's PRIVATE! Don't want Big Brother to be in on the conversation...

Facebook..... The Internet trap of many students. ;-)






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[JoshSRNA]

Facebook..... The Internet trap of many students. ;-)
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And many nurses...When I was an RN, several nurses got fired at the hospital I worked for posting stupid things on Facebook while they were at work. One girl got canned for posting something like "sometimes I hate my job" but had work info on her FB page...so yeah, one cannot be too careful.

[LouisiAnimal]

Facebook..... The Internet trap of many students. ;-)






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+1

I wouldn't trust any of those "friends" on there. Somehow that assistant director seemed to know a lot about what's posted. Early November "I see x student has finished their last clinical shift. You guys are aware that you're required to be in clinical until the very last day right?"

[PrinceVersed]

I would also advise against you being in any facebook group. It will NOT be private. Trust me on this. I know from first hand of a bad situation involving supposedly private things being posted on a "school" FB page. Any information (which is mainly where everyone is going out drinking that night) you can get from word of mouth and there will be no evidence of it all over the internet.

[Bazinga]

I think a little common sense goes a long way on Facebook. Just assume that anything you do anywhere on the internet, be it on Facebook, here, or anywhere else for that matter is never truly "private", all it takes is a screen shot. At TWU specifically, it has been so helpful because so many of us are spread out all over the country and word of mouth just isn't gonna get it sometimes. But yeah, I've certainly seen peoples comments/actions come back to bite them....like I said, common sense.

[flightgirl]

Congrats! I am in at TWU as well! See you in August!

[skynyrd615]

It's Official !! I'm in at Texas Wesleyan for Fall 2012. See ya in August.

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[Jumpmasterjk]

I got my offical letter today!! In for TWU fall '12

[NurseRatchet]

Congrats!!!! I'll be heading there as well. Very excited :)

[mamurray]

I got mine too! Dayton Ohio for phase II site. Can't wait.....

[DarkStar]

I'm in at TWU for Fall '12 as well. Congrats to everyone else that got in.

[mummer43]

Just curious, how many students are in the class?

[ethernaut]

Just curious, how many students are in the class?

a whole lotta'em

[iceemike1]

Just curious, how many students are in the class?

Me too. We all throw out numbers, I'd like to hear the real size

[NurseRatchet]

Just curious, how many students are in the class?

Not sure the exact #, but there are 30 primary clinical sites affiliated with the program all over the country.

[Airwayangler]

120

[JoshSRNA]

holy crap

[bettermj]

120

Not 210?

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[Airwayangler]

No, they have actually scaled back in the last few years

[bettermj]

No, they have actually scaled back in the last few years

That is good. Are people still failing since they've hired a new phys prof? Scaling back may have reduced the need to have people fail out.


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[maliggs]

The new phys prof has nothing to do with the people who are failing. Reinke was "omnipresent" during the first year that the new prof taught. The material taught was the same. The PROBLEM is that TWU accepted applicants that shouldn't have been accepted. The people who struggled during didactic seem to be the same people who struggle with boards.

[PrinceVersed]

I have certainly met numerous people that I will not let put me to sleep in the future. But not everyone is bad :)

[bettermj]

The new phys prof has nothing to do with the people who are failing. Reinke was "omnipresent" during the first year that the new prof taught. The material taught was the same. The PROBLEM is that TWU accepted applicants that shouldn't have been accepted. The people who struggled during didactic seem to be the same people who struggle with boards.

I didn't think the new one did.

I struggled during school for a variety of reasons. I thought the board was a cakewalk. Go figure.

I agree, TWU accepts people that should not have been accepted. People without ICU experience, without the qualifications THEY set forth (I know, many don't agree that ICU experience is needed).

There was a direct relationship to the number of clinical sites available and the number of students that didn't fall above the floating "curve.". Many repeaters were very smart and are great CRNAs today. I think the program spreads itself thin with a huge number of clinical sites. Juggling them each year, accepting tons of students, and playing politics makes for a bad combination at times for the student who was accepted and should not have been. It's bad all the way around, but the person who suffers is the one left holding all the debt with no title as a CRNA.







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[maliggs]

I have certainly met numerous people that I will not let put me to sleep in the future. But not everyone is bad :)

They might not put YOU to sleep, but who is to say that they wont be putting your family member to sleep one day? That's the problem with incompetent CRNAs in the workforce in general.

[JoshSRNA]

There was a direct relationship to the number of clinical sites available and the number of students that didn't fall above the floating "curve.". Many repeaters were very smart and are great CRNAs today. I think the program spreads itself thin with a huge number of clinical sites. Juggling them each year, accepting tons of students, and playing politics makes for a bad combination at times for the student who was accepted and should not have been. It's bad all the way around, but the person who suffers is the one left holding all the debt with no title as a CRNA.

Completely ridiculous...a disservice to the students who are taking on huge financial risks (especially those that don't belong there), and to the profession.
If you had to do it again, would you go elsewhere? From the sounds of it, I wouldn't want any piece of that place.

[maliggs]

Completely ridiculous...a disservice to the students who are taking on huge financial risks (especially those that don't belong there), and to the profession.
If you had to do it again, would you go elsewhere? From the sounds of it, I wouldn't want any piece of that place.

I wouldn't have gone elsewhere, but ONLY because I had a fantastic clinical experience, along with a great didactic. HOWEVER, if I would have only been given the choice of the sub-par clinical sites, I definitely would have gone elsewhere. I chose TWU BECAUSE of the great clinical site. Unfortunately, it's not the same @ every site.

[propoFool]

I wouldn't have gone elsewhere, but ONLY because I had a fantastic clinical experience, along with a great didactic. HOWEVER, if I would have only been given the choice of the sub-par clinical sites, I definitely would have gone elsewhere. I chose TWU BECAUSE of the great clinical site. Unfortunately, it's not the same @ every site.
+1

[PaSSiNG GaS]

With the hundreds of different clinical sites it seems this school puts their students how does the actual experience compare. There has got to be some students getting a much more well rounded experience than others I would imagine?

[Airwayangler]

sure they are very different. my wife was in school with me and her site was across the street from mine. i did way more hearts, central lines, spinals. she did a lot of really interesting ent(crazy airway pts), robot stuff, and other cases i did not. even the way we were trained was much different. we used much more roc, dilaudid, and more narc. she used vec, no dilaudid ever, and low narc. it made for interesting discussions on how to put people to sleep. we even got too switch clinical sites for a month. twu also lets you pick, if you want, between optional one month rotations, examples were neuro, surgery centers, trauma, all crna, etc. i got to go to an all crna site in colorado, which allowed me to do more fiber optic intubations and several different nerve blocks. in all i thought twu was a good school. could it be better, of course it could, all schools could.

[LouisiAnimal]

sure they are very different. my wife was in school with me and her site was across the street from mine. i did way more hearts, central lines, spinals. she did a lot of really interesting ent(crazy airway pts), robot stuff, and other cases i did not. even the way we were trained was much different. we used much more roc, dilaudid, and more narc. she used vec, no dilaudid ever, and low narc. it made for interesting discussions on how to put people to sleep. we even got too switch clinical sites for a month. twu also lets you pick, if you want, between optional one month rotations, examples were neuro, surgery centers, trauma, all crna, etc. i got to go to an all crna site in colorado, which allowed me to do more fiber optic intubations and several different nerve blocks. in all i thought twu was a good school. could it be better, of course it could, all schools could.

Good post

[PaSSiNG GaS]

How did you set up living arrangements for all your rotations or did the school do it for you? I am very curious to see how people managed to constantly have to move around from place to place to go to their rotations; not just this school but all schools that have long distant rotations.


sure they are very different. my wife was in school with me and her site was across the street from mine. i did way more hearts, central lines, spinals. she did a lot of really interesting ent(crazy airway pts), robot stuff, and other cases i did not. even the way we were trained was much different. we used much more roc, dilaudid, and more narc. she used vec, no dilaudid ever, and low narc. it made for interesting discussions on how to put people to sleep. we even got too switch clinical sites for a month. twu also lets you pick, if you want, between optional one month rotations, examples were neuro, surgery centers, trauma, all crna, etc. i got to go to an all crna site in colorado, which allowed me to do more fiber optic intubations and several different nerve blocks. in all i thought twu was a good school. could it be better, of course it could, all schools could.

[PrinceVersed]

They might not put YOU to sleep, but who is to say that they wont be putting your family member to sleep one day? That's the problem with incompetent CRNAs in the workforce in general.

Don't worry, I won't forget their names haha.

Sadly, I can't control who all they accepted. I can only be the best provider I can be. Hopefully, I get enough training to be quality. So far I have only been doing the didactic portion. I (and I think I am pretty alone in this) wish it was a good deal harder and that we would wash out more of the borderline students. But once again, not my school, not my call.

[menneab]

Stayed with family, rented a place, sublet while classmate away, often paid two rents while on 1-2 month rotations.
Cost of living often rivaled tuition.


How did you set up living arrangements for all your rotations or did the school do it for you? I am very curious to see how people managed to constantly have to move around from place to place to go to their rotations; not just this school but all schools that have long distant rotations.

[Airwayangler]

i cannot speak for all the rotations but all of mine were in fort worth less than a mile from my primary site(peds and ob). the colorado site was awesome because one of the crnas let you stay at his guest house, beautiful view of mountains and country side, for free.

[bettermj]

How did you set up living arrangements for all your rotations or did the school do it for you? I am very curious to see how people managed to constantly have to move around from place to place to go to their rotations; not just this school but all schools that have long distant rotations.



You work it out the best you can. TWU isn't that bad about sending you off too much/often throughout your time in clinicals.

I know of one school where you basically are changing every month. No help regarding where to stay. That would be too much for me.







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[Esper]

How did you set up living arrangements for all your rotations or did the school do it for you? I am very curious to see how people managed to constantly have to move around from place to place to go to their rotations; not just this school but all schools that have long distant rotations.

Slept in my truck quite a few times. Slept in the preop stretchers a few others. Like a vagabond.

[ImNotThatGuy]

I'm in the class above yours. Congratulations first of all for getting accepted. Now comes the hard part. Imagine how hard you think school is going to be then multiply that x 2. The didactic work is the toughest you will ever see in your lifetime. The AP class first and second semester is insane and that is also the "weeding out" course. Here are some things that you guys should do for getting through that class:
1. Form a large group - more than 10 people - for dictating the AP lectures verbatim. Assign time frames for each student to take notes. The teacher also draws a lot of pictures as he explains things so use your snipping tool for getting pictures from the lectures. Even write out what he is pointing to as he looks at pictures. I had a 7 minute section to type that often took me 30 minutes to dictate. 2. Don't take days off. You have to approach each day of class as if you are being tested on the information from the day before. 3. Rewatch lectures. This is time consuming. It takes an extra 2 hours out of your studying or even more if you are stopping and writing or reinforcing notes. 4. Don't set a goal to memorize your notes. It won't happen first of all and you have to understand the "concepts" presented in order to do well. 5. There are no small details. If you think something probably won't be on a test then that is exactly what will be asked. 6. The first test you ever take in AP can make or break you. This will be one of the harder tests you will take in AP. You don't really have an understanding of how you will be tested until you see this. Most people score poorly on this test. You more than likely will be told that you will be able to replace the grade of this test with the grade on the final. DON'T count on this. The final will be 5 times harder so do well on the first test. 7. Ask for help from upper classmen. They can't give you questions from previous tests but might be able to give you ideas of how you should be approaching topics for studying. 8. Call the AP teacher, set up appointments after every test and speak with him. If you stay connected with him and show him that you had a grasp of topics on the test, he may give you the benefit of the doubt and give you some help with your grades. This isn't guaranteed but it helps. 9. Group study, skype, do whatever you can to stay on top of this enormous amount of information that you are about to be receiving.
If you heard it in lecture it can and will be tested about. The information will be twisted in ways you could never imagine. Simple concepts of direction like up, down, left, and right will even be tough. Good luck! Oh yeah as far as Facebook goes, take it from me it is not private. Someone always shows the teachers what is posted on Facebook. You may not think you have a mole in your class but you will.

[PrinceVersed]

Yawn. Do very little of that unless you are a very poor student/applicant.

You don't need a large group to do anything. DO take notes word for word in AP. If you can type decent you need only to dictate while in class. There is no need to ever rewatch the lectures. Any of them. Take as many days off as you like. Studying hard(see: almost all day) for 2-3 days before any test will be enough if you are quick on the uptake. There are no small or unimportant details. That is true. What you will think is the most pointless will sure to be a test question. True, you will not do better on the final than on the first test so do well on the first test. Even so, the first test will not make or break you unless you make like a 30. Don't call the AP teacher after every test unless you are actively failing. It is gunner activity and it takes away time from someone who is actually failing and really might need to talk to him. If you have any sort of character you will take your test not hoping to get the "benefit of the doubt" but rather to do well enough that it doesn't even matter. It will SEEM like a ton of information the first time you hear it or read it. Go over it once or twice more and you will realize how little it is. The guy could have EASILY squeezed in 2-3x as much REAL info and it would have still been manageable. Do understand the concepts/big picture as well as the minutia.

Oh the whole, compared to working as a staff nurse, school is a wonderful vacation. Don't put too much pressure on yourself. Don't fill your everyday studying. Don't burn out at the beginning while trying to be a gunner. The end is more important anyway. Enjoy not working (if you can).

Btw, don't buy the books. Total rip off.

[ImNotThatGuy]

Yawn. Do very little of that unless you are a very poor student/applicant.

You don't need a large group to do anything. DO take notes word for word in AP. If you can type decent you need only to dictate while in class. There is no need to ever rewatch the lectures. Any of them. Take as many days off as you like. Studying hard(see: almost all day) for 2-3 days before any test will be enough if you are quick on the uptake. There are no small or unimportant details. That is true. What you will think is the most pointless will sure to be a test question. True, you will not do better on the final than on the first test so do well on the first test. Even so, the first test will not make or break you unless you make like a 30. Don't call the AP teacher after every test unless you are actively failing. It is gunner activity and it takes away time from someone who is actually failing and really might need to talk to him. If you have any sort of character you will take your test not hoping to get the "benefit of the doubt" but rather to do well enough that it doesn't even matter. It will SEEM like a ton of information the first time you hear it or read it. Go over it once or twice more and you will realize how little it is. The guy could have EASILY squeezed in 2-3x as much REAL info and it would have still been manageable. Do understand the concepts/big picture as well as the minutia.

Oh the whole, compared to working as a staff nurse, school is a wonderful vacation. Don't put too much pressure on yourself. Don't fill your everyday studying. Don't burn out at the beginning while trying to be a gunner. The end is more important anyway. Enjoy not working (if you can).

Btw, don't buy the books. Total rip off.
Do not follow this guy's advice. He always has given crappy advice throughout this forum. Use groups to study if you are better at doing group study. Definitely use groups for dictating notes. If you want to be part of the school's attrition rate, take days off. Contacting and keeping touch with the teacher isn't always about arguing over test questions and grades. You will get pointers and have weaknesses identified by the teacher. This is very invaluable. Talk to the teacher often if not after every test. There is a ton of information. As you learn it, you can shorten your notes but not until then. Each time you review everything it will take less and less time because you don't have to go over information you have already learned. School is not a vacation. The pressure is there whether you want it to be or not. Fill your everyday with studying. Rewatching the lectures is a great study tool. It isn't necessary all the time especially if you dictated the lectures. The majority of the classes that have taken this AP instructor score in the 80's and don't get A's. One bad grade early can sink you especially when you get a final that cannot be aced. Again, don't listen to this princeversed guy. Check out his other posts. He's known for being a douchebag. There are many people way smarter than I that studied more than I did and that knew more than I did that did not pass this class. Sometimes it's a matter of getting an understanding of the teacher. Some people just don't get him.

[maliggs]

I'm in the class above yours. Congratulations first of all for getting accepted. Now comes the hard part. Imagine how hard you think school is going to be then multiply that x 2. The didactic work is the toughest you will ever see in your lifetime. The AP class first and second semester is insane and that is also the "weeding out" course. Here are some things that you guys should do for getting through that class:
1. Form a large group - more than 10 people - for dictating the AP lectures verbatim. Assign time frames for each student to take notes. The teacher also draws a lot of pictures as he explains things so use your snipping tool for getting pictures from the lectures. Even write out what he is pointing to as he looks at pictures. I had a 7 minute section to type that often took me 30 minutes to dictate. 2. Don't take days off. You have to approach each day of class as if you are being tested on the information from the day before. 3. Rewatch lectures. This is time consuming. It takes an extra 2 hours out of your studying or even more if you are stopping and writing or reinforcing notes. 4. Don't set a goal to memorize your notes. It won't happen first of all and you have to understand the "concepts" presented in order to do well. 5. There are no small details. If you think something probably won't be on a test then that is exactly what will be asked. 6. The first test you ever take in AP can make or break you. This will be one of the harder tests you will take in AP. You don't really have an understanding of how you will be tested until you see this. Most people score poorly on this test. You more than likely will be told that you will be able to replace the grade of this test with the grade on the final. DON'T count on this. The final will be 5 times harder so do well on the first test. 7. Ask for help from upper classmen. They can't give you questions from previous tests but might be able to give you ideas of how you should be approaching topics for studying. 8. Call the AP teacher, set up appointments after every test and speak with him. If you stay connected with him and show him that you had a grasp of topics on the test, he may give you the benefit of the doubt and give you some help with your grades. This isn't guaranteed but it helps. 9. Group study, skype, do whatever you can to stay on top of this enormous amount of information that you are about to be receiving.
If you heard it in lecture it can and will be tested about. The information will be twisted in ways you could never imagine. Simple concepts of direction like up, down, left, and right will even be tough. Good luck! Oh yeah as far as Facebook goes, take it from me it is not private. Someone always shows the teachers what is posted on Facebook. You may not think you have a mole in your class but you will.


10 people to dictate AP lectures?! PSHFHFHHSHHHHHH. I think you can get away with just ONE person doing it for an entire year and sharing the notes with the entire class.

[PrinceVersed]

Do not follow this guy's advice. He always has given crappy advice throughout this forum. Use groups to study if you are better at doing group study. Definitely use groups for dictating notes. If you want to be part of the school's attrition rate, take days off. Contacting and keeping touch with the teacher isn't always about arguing over test questions and grades. You will get pointers and have weaknesses identified by the teacher. This is very invaluable. Talk to the teacher often if not after every test. There is a ton of information. As you learn it, you can shorten your notes but not until then. Each time you review everything it will take less and less time because you don't have to go over information you have already learned. School is not a vacation. The pressure is there whether you want it to be or not. Fill your everyday with studying. Rewatching the lectures is a great study tool. It isn't necessary all the time especially if you dictated the lectures. The majority of the classes that have taken this AP instructor score in the 80's and don't get A's. One bad grade early can sink you especially when you get a final that cannot be aced. Again, don't listen to this princeversed guy. Check out his other posts. He's known for being a douchebag. There are many people way smarter than I that studied more than I did and that knew more than I did that did not pass this class. Sometimes it's a matter of getting an understanding of the teacher. Some people just don't get him.

LOL. Obviously, taking advice from someone as classy as you is a much better option.

Sorry class was so tough for you. Maybe if you didn't waste so much time you would have done better. It is not about the amount of time you spend studying. It is the quality of it. And studying more is NOT positively correlated with better test results. I took days off, everyone but 2-3days before any AP test and 1-2 for the others. I didn't fail out. Nor did I need to get hand outs from the teacher. If you are the kind of student that wants to slide by weaseling your way through, so be it. If you, on the other hand, would like to have some personal integrity, then study hard, take your test, and let the chips fall where they may. IF you are struggling then by all means talk to the teachers. It is their job to help you. If you aren't struggling...well, I already covered gunner mentality.

The pressure of it is what you make it. Only YOU can decide what level of stress you will have. But it is not built into the program. You HAVE to take pharm. You don't HAVE to stress about everything. That is your choice. It seems SOME of us can handle it. Others...not so well.

School is what you make of it. Is it the easiest thing you will do? No. Is it the "hardest thing you will every experience x 2!!". Nope. It is somewhere in the middle.

Sorry again that you have a problem with me calling a spade a spade. Sorry YOU struggled. But there is really no need to go scaring all the new people just because you couldn't study effectively. If you have to study all the time, then you are doing it wrong or you're doing it for fun. :)


10 people to dictate AP lectures?! PSHFHFHHSHHHHHH. I think you can get away with just ONE person doing it for an entire year and sharing the notes with the entire class.

The note Nazi would have never allowed this!! haha.

[propoFool]

I did fail out.

This a typo? I was under the impression you were fine.

[LouisiAnimal]

LOL. Obviously, taking advice from someone as classy as you is a much better option.

Sorry class was so tough for you. Maybe if you didn't waste so much time you would have done better. It is not about the amount of time you spend studying. It is the quality of it. And studying more is NOT positively correlated with better test results. I took days off, everyone but 2-3days before any AP test and 1-2 for the others. I did fail out. Nor did I need to get hand outs from the teacher. If you are the kind of student that wants to slide by weaseling your way through, so be it. If you, on the other hand, would like to have some personal integrity, then study hard, take your test, and let the chips fall where they may. IF you are struggling then by all means talk to the teachers. It is their job to help you. If you aren't struggling...well, I already covered gunner mentality.

The pressure of it is what you make it. Only YOU can decide what level of stress you will have. But it is not built into the program. You HAVE to take pharm. You don't HAVE to stress about everything. That is your choice. It seems SOME of us can handle it. Others...not so well.

School is what you make of it. Is it the easiest thing you will do? No. Is it the "hardest thing you will every experience x 2!!". Nope. It is somewhere in the middle.

Sorry again that you have a problem with me calling a spade a spade. Sorry YOU struggled. But there is really no need to go scaring all the new people just because you couldn't study effectively. If you have to study all the time, then you are doing it wrong or you're doing it for fun. :)



The note Nazi would have never allowed this!! haha.

So are you studying to pass the test or studying to actually master the information?

[PrinceVersed]

This a typo? I was under the impression you were fine.

sorry. Yes, typo. I will edit it out. Thanks :)


So are you studying to pass the test or studying to actually master the information?

Both. I understand the information while it is being taught. I understand the big picture and the concepts that are stressed the most. However, I do cram in info that I do not think is all that vital just for the test. For the most part I understand the information. I do not just regurgitate it out. That might be why it takes me much less time to study. I in no way claim to be an expert. But I have seen too many times with my own eyes my peers studying and learning every word of every lecture (which would take all day everyday) but they still can't tell me why any of the answers are the answers. Just that they are. To me, that is a waste.

[pavementpounder]

sorry. Yes, typo. I will edit it out. Thanks :)



Both. I understand the information while it is being taught. I understand the big picture and the concepts that are stressed the most. However, I do cram in info that I do not think is all that vital just for the test. For the most part I understand the information. I do not just regurgitate it out. That might be why it takes me much less time to study. I in no way claim to be an expert. But I have seen too many times with my own eyes my peers studying and learning every word of every lecture (which would take all day everyday) but they still can't tell me why any of the answers are the answers. Just that they are. To me, that is a waste.

Everybody has advice about studying. It takes a while to determine what works for you. You should be open and experiment with different methods whether it's groups, solo, re-watching lectures, typing out lectures, etc. Most people slowly figure what is most effective for them. If school is easy for you then at least be humble about it because it pisses off those of us who have to work their a** off to pass. Good Luck to all of you!!

[PrinceVersed]

Everybody has advice about studying. It takes a while to determine what works for you. You should be open and experiment with different methods whether it's groups, solo, re-watching lectures, typing out lectures, etc. Most people slowly figure what is most effective for them. If school is easy for you then at least be humble about it because it pisses off those of us who have to work their a** off to pass. Good Luck to all of you!!

I am totally with you, Sir. Do whatever works for you. My issue was when it was made out that school would be SOO hard and that if you make one slip up or don't study EVERYday that that would mean the end of your CRNA dream. That is blatantly wrong and it does NOTHING to help the incoming students. This is NOT about ME. I posted to help out the new people not blow my own horn.

Advice like "talk to the teacher everyday so you might get the benefit of the doubt"... which is code for if you bug him enough you might get some "extra" points. That is horrible advice. It looks awful on the school, the teacher, and the student. I want no part of it, and I would not encourage others to make their way by doing that.

School will be what it is to each of us. But there is little point in discussing how brutally hard school is and worrying people needlessly when it will be SOO much different for every student. Some easy, some hard, some right in the middle.

No disrespect to anyone who is out there trying.

[gaspass3]

Isn't this the school that has class size well in excess of 100 students? If so, do any of you think the teacher even has a clue who you are or know your name? If every student made buddy with the teacher, that is all they would do. Well, just my $0.02

[PrinceVersed]

Isn't this the school that has class size well in excess of 100 students? If so, do any of you think the teacher even has a clue who you are or know your name? If every student made buddy with the teacher, that is all they would do. Well, just my $0.02

It is. But from what I can tell and have been told, he actually does know who we are. And yes, if every student took the OP advice he would not have time to do anything. Like plan our lectures, grade our test, and so forth. Which brings me back to it being awful advice!

[Airwayangler]

The teacher is very bright and knows the names of everyone in class and all the people watching across the country even if you have never talked to him, don't know how he did it. As for studying, each person will figure it out for themselves. My wife and I sat next to each other but never studied together or the same way. I liked rewatching the videos but with a faster speed. Thought it was the most helpful. There are times that you can have fun in school, no one studied every moment of everyday. If a test was on Friday, you know there would be some drinking that night, or in one case a "ten hour lunch". We still talk about that lunch. The best advice I got before school was knock the first round of tests out of the ballpark because it is hard to play catch up. Good luck to everyone

[ImNotThatGuy]

I dictated lectures myself the first semester. It takes several hours to do this yourself since we cant speed playback of videos anymore like previous classes. Also if you are snipping the drawings and pasting them that takes some time. It was much easier being in the group. I obviously didn't fail also. Princeversed has said in other posts that he wants more people to fail out. He's complained about class sizes and other things at TWU but still ended up here because "that guy" is not liked anywhere. Start out in school throwing everything and every bit of time into it until you get your groove then you'll figure out what works best for you. If you don't, you'll be very disappointed 50,000 + in debt having to try to reinterview to get back in. Not everyone gets reaccepted. It's just not worth selling yourself short.

[ImNotThatGuy]

Tom we always appreciated you checking up on us even after you graduated. Your advice and encouragement has always been helpful unlike princeversed above. You do have to study to know all information inside and out as well as to know the concepts. You will be asked to compare things all the time and without knowing the concepts you can't do it. Minute topics can be picked out for fill in the blank stuff so that's why you need to study every minute detail. The fill in the blanks are the freebie questions that you don't want to give away. Again if you start out with the mentality of princeversed you are in for a very rude awakening. Better to start out as a gunner then ease back once you find your groove. It can take some time. I want princeversed to come out and honestly say that he wants everyone to pass. He's afraid that too many CRNA's mean that he won't have a job. People don't like him so that is why it matters so much to him. I want all of us to succeed.

[ImNotThatGuy]

The teacher is very bright and knows the names of everyone in class and all the people watching across the country even if you have never talked to him, don't know how he did it. As for studying, each person will figure it out for themselves. My wife and I sat next to each other but never studied together or the same way. I liked rewatching the videos but with a faster speed. Thought it was the most helpful. There are times that you can have fun in school, no one studied every moment of everyday. If a test was on Friday, you know there would be some drinking that night, or in one case a "ten hour lunch". We still talk about that lunch. The best advice I got before school was knock the first round of tests out of the ballpark because it is hard to play catch up. Good luck to everyone The teacher is a freaking genius. He's ridiculously smart. He has pictures of every student in his office and makes an effort to learn everyone's name. We no longer have the option of watching lectures at faster speeds. Basically the media player from sonic foundry will not update to work with the new updates in silverlight. Whenever the school used realplayer you could speed up playback. I hope this is fixed for future students but don't count on it. Also, the teacher usually takes up to 2 weeks to grade tests. He wants students to talk to him so that he can see why students are picking or missing questions on his tests. Sometimes there are bad questions or questions where the teacher saw things from a different perspective than the student. He is not a clinical person so sometimes he will see why you took an answer to the point that you did. This helps not only you but the entire class when the teacher does item analysis. You aren't wasting the teacher's time by talking to him. I regret not staying in contact with him earlier in the program. Again, he can help you identify weaknesses that you need to brush up on as concepts are repeated throughout all the tests. If you miss something on one test, it can continue to bite you over and over unless you know where you are falling short. You pay a ton of money to go to this school. The teachers are here to help and want to help.

[PrinceVersed]

Lol. I have no idea who you are and I really couldn't care less. I have never reported anyone for anything. Not in high school, undergrad, nursing school, as a nurse, OR as a grad student. So, you have me confused with someone else. But good luck with your rage issues lol. :)

As for everyone passing... I want everyone that deserves to pass to pass. And if you think I am alone in that then obviously you haven't read enough post around this site. It is full of talk of inferior providers graduating at all times. I have no worries about getting a job after graduation. In fact, I haven't really even given it a thought. I'm not here to speed through and get a job. I am here to learn and enjoy the fact that I am NOT working for at least a bit longer.

Good luck with learning how to use facebook!

[bettermj]

You guys don't have the previous class' notes???


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[PrinceVersed]

Some people do. Some people don't. It depends on what circle you run in.

[ImNotThatGuy]

Princeversed quote:
“Sadly, I can't control who all they accepted. I can only be the best provider I can be. Hopefully, I get enough training to be quality. So far I have only been doing the didactic portion. I (and I think I am pretty alone in this) wish it was a good deal harder and that we would wash out more of the borderline students. But once again, not my school, not my call.”

Don't trust this guy or anything he says.

[bettermj]

Let's focus back on the original purpose of this thread, me included.




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[ethernaut]

Princeversed quote:
“Sadly, I can't control who all they accepted. I can only be the best provider I can be. Hopefully, I get enough training to be quality. So far I have only been doing the didactic portion. I (and I think I am pretty alone in this) wish it was a good deal harder and that we would wash out more of the borderline students. But once again, not my school, not my call.”

Don't trust this guy or anything he says.

what's so wrong or inappropriate here? seems he's just being honest.

[ImNotThatGuy]

This guy says that he want everyone that deserves to pass to pass. I'm just pointing out that isn't what he really believes. He's giving advice that school is not that hard and you don't have to put all that much effort into it. That just isn't true for 90% of the students. There are a few exceptions. He's been called out in several threads for being a douchebag as well as on facebook before he quit our class group for reporting posts to teachers. This guy is a weasel and coward. Not to mention this is a student that asks questions on a daily basis not to get information but to hear himself speak. This takes up the entire class's time as opposed to talking to teachers after tests on days we aren't in class.

[gaspass3]

This guy says that he want everyone that deserves to pass to pass. I'm just pointing out that isn't what he really believes. He's giving advice that school is not that hard and you don't have to put all that much effort into it. That just isn't true for 90% of the students. There are a few exceptions. He's been called out in several threads for being a douchebag as well as on facebook before he quit our class group for reporting posts to teachers. This guy is a weasel and coward. Not to mention this is a student that asks questions on a daily basis not to get information but to hear himself speak. This takes up the entire class's time as opposed to talking to teachers after tests on days we aren't in class.




Yawn.

[PrinceVersed]

This guy says that he want everyone that deserves to pass to pass. I'm just pointing out that isn't what he really believes. He's giving advice that school is not that hard and you don't have to put all that much effort into it. That just isn't true for 90% of the students. There are a few exceptions. He's been called out in several threads for being a douchebag as well as on facebook before he quit our class group for reporting posts to teachers. This guy is a weasel and coward. Not to mention this is a student that asks questions on a daily basis not to get information but to hear himself speak. This takes up the entire class's time as opposed to talking to teachers after tests on days we aren't in class.

Dude, you obviously have NO idea what you are talking about. I did not report you. I have no idea what you have done on facebook. I have NEVER asked a single question inside or outside of class to any of our teachers. Not once. In fact, I don't know that I have raised my hand or asked a question since elementary school. You have ZERO idea who I am. And the fact that you would come in here and personally attack me NOT knowing who I am just shows the type of people I have to deal with and why I say the things I have to say. You are and have been completely wrong.

Once again, I never said school was easy. I just said you could take breaks and didn't have to study everyday. I also said one screw up wont make or break you. Why does this make you so mad? Oh, probably because you did study all day everyday. Not my fault.

And yes, 100%, the interview I felt was easy, compared to the other interview I went on. Why does that offend you so much? Because the interview here was hard for you? Once again, not my fault. I am a bit flattered that you have been stalking my post though. Glad I mean that much to you, big boy ;)

You are a very angry person. I hope you can work through that and learn a way to maybe direct it at the actual cause as opposed to coming on here and trying to start fights and blame people you don't even know for things they didn't do and for your own short comings.

New people, see how much fun you will have with your classmates once school starts! They are all this lovable in real life too! lol. Good luck all.

[bettermj]

Name calling belongs in PMs. Right or wrong.


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[BigMAC - Army]

So you're not the guy with a cane, top hat, and monocle?

[PrinceVersed]

Name calling belongs in PMs. Right or wrong.


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I am sorry. If I have said something I shouldn't have, let me know. I have just being trying to give my honest opinion of the situation and keep getting flamed for it (so it feels). My intent was not to cause a riot.


So you're not the guy with a cane, top hat, and monocle?

God! If only! If I had a monocle I do believe my life would be complete.

[bettermj]

I am sorry. If I have said something I shouldn't have, let me know. I have just being trying to give my honest opinion of the situation and keep getting flamed for it (so it feels). My intent was not to cause a riot.



God! If only! If I had a monocle I do believe my life would be complete.

Not a prob.

Go get a monocle and enjoy life.







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[ImNotThatGuy]

No he's just a troll that is intentionally trying to give off bad advice to future students. He's full of himself. A person with his attitude will be dangerous in the hospital setting too.

[bettermj]

No he's just a troll that is intentionally trying to give off bad advice to future students. He's full of himself. A person with his attitude will be dangerous in the hospital setting too.

Ok fine.

Please drop the personal attacks.

Right or wrong, it doesn't matter.









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[PrinceVersed]

No he's just a troll that is intentionally trying to give off bad advice to future students. He's full of himself. A person with his attitude will be dangerous in the hospital setting too.

Brother, you don't even know me! Why in the world would I intentionally give bad advice!? In fact, I have been PM'ed by several people going to be in the up coming class and I have a very close personal friend and previous coworker that will be in this class. I have given them the same REAL advice. But at the end of the day, they can do what they want with it because it is just advice. Why you are so angry is beyond me...



Bettermj-

I am enjoying life haha. I would rather sit through 6hrs of lectures any day than hear 12 hrs worth of call lights!! :)

[ethernaut]

No he's just a troll that is intentionally trying to give off bad advice to future students. He's full of himself. A person with his attitude will be dangerous in the hospital setting too.

I don't really see it as bad advice. it holds true for me. I spent much time outside of books, class and clinical. beer, golf, live music, friends and travel were all my friends during school. does that make me a douche too?
can we just stop the OP deviations now?

[ImNotThatGuy]

I don't really see it as bad advice. it holds true for me. I spent much time outside of books, class and clinical. beer, golf, live music, friends and travel were all my friends during school. does that make me a douche too?
can we just stop the OP deviations now?

Did you take the same AP class that we're arguing about? The class that weeded out about 20% of our students? I'm just saying not to take the class lightly or go into it with an attitude that you won't have to work that hard. That is not the norm for most people. I think that it's bad advice to tell people that the class that is the right of passage class for our TWU program is easy and that you can study 2-3 days before a test and do fine.

[ethernaut]

Did you take the same AP class that we're arguing about? The class that weeded out about 20% of our students? I'm just saying not to take the class lightly or go into it with an attitude that you won't have to work that hard. That is not the norm for most people. I think that it's bad advice to tell people that the class that is the right of passage class for our TWU program is easy and that you can study 2-3 days before a test and do fine.

fair enough

[PrinceVersed]

Did you take the same AP class that we're arguing about? The class that weeded out about 20% of our students? I'm just saying not to take the class lightly or go into it with an attitude that you won't have to work that hard. That is not the norm for most people. I think that it's bad advice to tell people that the class that is the right of passage class for our TWU program is easy and that you can study 2-3 days before a test and do fine.

I never said any of those things. I never said anything about taking things lightly or not to work hard. Learn 2 comprehend :).

Whether or not ether took the same class as us is inconsequential. He took, and passed, some CRNA program with an AP component and is now a fully licensed and practicing CRNA. That alone should garner some respect instead you of acting like he couldn't have possibly taken as hard a class as yours.

[ImNotThatGuy]

I never said any of those things. I never said anything about taking things lightly or not to work hard. Learn 2 comprehend :).

Whether or not ether took the same class as us is inconsequential. He took, and passed, some CRNA program with an AP component and is now a fully licensed and practicing CRNA. That alone should garner some respect instead you of acting like he couldn't have possibly taken as hard a class as yours.

I didn't know if he was a TWU student or not or if he had our same AP class. I'm sure his didactic was challenging but was a completely different experience than ours. I made no comments on how hard his schooling was. Unlike others in this forum, I would never denigrate the work people have put into their schooling.

[propoFool]

You have ZERO idea who I am.

I know who you are. :dance:... any who...even if a new student took prince's advice and it didn't work for them, then they better change their study habits...or sink. Like others have said; whatever works for you.

[PrinceVersed]

I know who you are. :dance:... any who...even if a new student took prince's advice and it didn't work for them, then they better change their study habits...or sink. Like others have said; whatever works for you.

Do you? Do I know you? Are you in our class? Oh the mysteries of the interwebs! :)

[propoFool]

Do you? Do I know you? Are you in our class? Oh the mysteries of the interwebs! :)

Yeah, you know me:yo:

[PrinceVersed]

OMG!! I am so intrigued!! Since I have no idea who you are, can I just assume you are someone I dislike and start calling you a D-bag? lol! That is protocol, right?

[propoFool]

OMG!! I am so intrigued!! Since I have no idea who you are, can I just assume you are someone I dislike and start calling you a D-bag? lol! That is protocol, right?

Bwahaha. Yes, I believe it is. PM me

[ImNotThatGuy]

OMG!! I am so intrigued!! Since I have no idea who you are, can I just assume you are someone I dislike and start calling you a D-bag? lol! That is protocol, right?

Only if he really is a D-bag.

[RAYMAN]

Did you take the same AP class that we're arguing about? The class that weeded out about 20% of our students? I'm just saying not to take the class lightly or go into it with an attitude that you won't have to work that hard. That is not the norm for most people. I think that it's bad advice to tell people that the class that is the right of passage class for our TWU program is easy and that you can study 2-3 days before a test and do fine.



Dude, you need to work on developing some thicker skin. Seriously, if you are this bent outa shape over this "discussion" you have a tough road ahead. You have to study hard at any school but one needs some balance....perhaps at this point you may need to find some. It's ok to take a day off...in fact you should....really.


And if twu has a "weeding class" then I think they seriously need to reevaluate their admissions process.

[PrinceVersed]

Dude, you need to work on developing some thicker skin. Seriously, if you are this bent outa shape over this "discussion" you have a tough road ahead. You have to study hard at any school but one needs some balance....perhaps at this point you may need to find some. It's ok to take a day off...in fact you should....really.


And if twu has a "weeding class" then I think they seriously need to reevaluate their admissions process.

NAILED IT! lol.

[ImNotThatGuy]

Dude, you need to work on developing some thicker skin. Seriously, if you are this bent outa shape over this "discussion" you have a tough road ahead. You have to study hard at any school but one needs some balance....perhaps at this point you may need to find some. It's ok to take a day off...in fact you should....really.


And if twu has a "weeding class" then I think they seriously need to reevaluate their admissions process.After you get the hang of the class in question then it might be okay to take days off but not until then. It's not good advice for new students that don't know what to expect. You can't start out saying I'm only going to study a few days before tests. This isn't going to work for most people. It's not a matter of being thin skinned. It's about wanting the next class to do well. Too many smart people have had to repeat or failed because they got behind in this class. It's just not worth it. I'm doing fine and apparently PV did fine but his perspective isn't good for the majority of incoming students. I'm going to get some of our classmates to give their perspective to see where we all differ.

[maliggs]

LOL. Obviously, taking advice from someone as classy as you is a much better option.

Sorry class was so tough for you. Maybe if you didn't waste so much time you would have done better. It is not about the amount of time you spend studying. It is the quality of it. And studying more is NOT positively correlated with better test results. I took days off, everyone but 2-3days before any AP test and 1-2 for the others. I didn't fail out. Nor did I need to get hand outs from the teacher. If you are the kind of student that wants to slide by weaseling your way through, so be it. If you, on the other hand, would like to have some personal integrity, then study hard, take your test, and let the chips fall where they may. IF you are struggling then by all means talk to the teachers. It is their job to help you. If you aren't struggling...well, I already covered gunner mentality.

The pressure of it is what you make it. Only YOU can decide what level of stress you will have. But it is not built into the program. You HAVE to take pharm. You don't HAVE to stress about everything. That is your choice. It seems SOME of us can handle it. Others...not so well.

School is what you make of it. Is it the easiest thing you will do? No. Is it the "hardest thing you will every experience x 2!!". Nope. It is somewhere in the middle.

Sorry again that you have a problem with me calling a spade a spade. Sorry YOU struggled. But there is really no need to go scaring all the new people just because you couldn't study effectively. If you have to study all the time, then you are doing it wrong or you're doing it for fun. :)



The note Nazi would have never allowed this!! haha.

Well I did it. For the entire year. For my entire class. She knew that I was sharing notes. What she has a problem with is when people shared PREVIOUS years notes. I'm wondering how reliable your advice is after all.

[gaspass3]

Dude, you need to work on developing some thicker skin. Seriously, if you are this bent outa shape over this "discussion" you have a tough road ahead. You have to study hard at any school but one needs some balance....perhaps at this point you may need to find some. It's ok to take a day off...in fact you should....really.


And if twu has a "weeding class" then I think they seriously need to reevaluate their admissions process.



+1

[PrinceVersed]

[/B]

Well I did it. For the entire year. For my entire class. She knew that I was sharing notes. What she has a problem with is when people shared PREVIOUS years notes. I'm wondering how reliable your advice is after all.

Wait what? I wasn't talking about any instructor. I was talking about the people in the class. And no one in our class has been so nice to do that. But that seems really decent of you!

[ImNotThatGuy]

[/B]

Well I did it. For the entire year. For my entire class. She knew that I was sharing notes. What she has a problem with is when people shared PREVIOUS years notes. I'm wondering how reliable your advice is after all.
She asks students that make improvements to notes or that take good notes to submit them to her and she will distribute them. Otherwise it is done on the DL. I was dictating notes myself the first part of the year but the group saved hours and hours of time. The class was hard to dictate verbatim especially with the style of the teacher and also due to the fact that we couldn't increase playback speed. Ironically, as of today, we can again increase playback speed so this shouldn't be as bad of an issue with the incoming class. Were you part of the first Dr. Schmidt class?

[bettermj]

[/B]

Well I did it. For the entire year. For my entire class. She knew that I was sharing notes. What she has a problem with is when people shared PREVIOUS years notes. I'm wondering how reliable your advice is after all.


Previous years notes??? Those were the notes that THEY passed out to us. WE Added as we went along and made them even better and put them all on a disk. We added better diagrams and clarified the notes. The previous AP teacher would take the notes and rearrange words before passing them out to subsequent classes, making it very ambigious. And the entire school knew what we were doing. We even shared it with them. :)

Anyways, & Ray they DID have a weed out class. It wasn't a secret. Ask our mutual friend. Although for super brains like him, it wasn't.

We did have one guy in our class who would read his notes one time before the test. He would study them the day before lecture, go home an study / clarify a few things, and that was it. Then the night before the test he'd read through them once like I said. He'd ace the test. On test review he'd read the test once to see what he missed and that was his only study allotted for his final.

He was a true genius.






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[PrinceVersed]

Woah! That is awesome. Now I am envious haha

[ImNotThatGuy]

We aren't supposed to confirm the existence of "the disk" but I saw the notes that were on it. Unfortunately, they were not helpful at all for our current AP class as he changed topics taught between one year and the next. Would have been great if the material flowed with our class.

Notes definitely were distributed these past 2 semesters of school depending on who you were. Some people were just so smart that no one shared and still don't share with them.

[PrinceVersed]

Some people were just so smart that no one shared and still don't share with them.

Eat your heart out buddy. I did it all on my own and I had time for naps, video games, movies, and soon to be a lot of golfing. What were you up to? lol :)

[maliggs]

Yes I was in his first class. Bettermj, the disk that y'all made was NOT okay to use during my didactic. They made it very clear that we were not supposed to use that information from previous years (not that it would've helped much, as we had quite a few changes in instructors). That's why I typed notes for AP and shared them on that website with the entire class. I re-watched all of the lectures in normal speed. It was grueling, but do-able. I think that it's helpful to be able to rewatch lectures, even if you can't do it fast. Especially for AP. It helped me a lot due to the amount of material covered.

[ImNotThatGuy]

Eat your heart out buddy. I did it all on my own and I had time for naps, video games, movies, and soon to be a lot of golfing. What were you up to? lol :)

I'm sure you have to do a lot of things on your own. :clap2:

[ImNotThatGuy]

Yes I was in his first class. Bettermj, the disk that y'all made was NOT okay to use during my didactic. They made it very clear that we were not supposed to use that information from previous years (not that it would've helped much, as we had quite a few changes in instructors). That's why I typed notes for AP and shared them on that website with the entire class. I re-watched all of the lectures in normal speed. It was grueling, but do-able. I think that it's helpful to be able to rewatch lectures, even if you can't do it fast. Especially for AP. It helped me a lot due to the amount of material covered.

I started the year doing what you did but found it a lot easier to have some help. Having help gave me time to do other things or to focus on studying. It can be done alone but is definitely better when a lot of people are helping. I usually ended up with around 30-35 pages typed out per lecture and sometimes up to 50. I asked if you were in the first class because we had a person in our class that took Schmidt the first year but for reasons outside of school had to quit in clinicals. They started the program again and took him again this year. They said his style has changed drastically. He was still hard though. We had another student that took Reinke before too and they preferred Reinke's teaching style. Both of those students made it to clinicals too but since it was so many years out the school made them retake classes to make sure they were still up to speed.

Luckily for the next class, it looks like they now have the increased playback speed again so that is an invaluable tool to studying and reinforcing knowledge.

[ethernaut]

It's not good advice for new students that don't know what to expect.

dude(tte).. who's really gonna that advice to the hilt? seriously, if they do right off the bat, then maybe they'll realize. c'mon... let it go.

[ethernaut]

hey imnotthatguy,
seriously...give it a rest. there's type A, and then there's you. really.

[gaspass3]

Previous years notes??? Those were the notes that THEY passed out to us. WE Added as we went along and made them even better and put them all on a disk. We added better diagrams and clarified the notes. The previous AP teacher would take the notes and rearrange words before passing them out to subsequent classes, making it very ambigious. And the entire school knew what we were doing. We even shared it with them. :)

Anyways, & Ray they DID have a weed out class. It wasn't a secret. Ask our mutual friend. Although for super brains like him, it wasn't.

We did have one guy in our class who would read his notes one time before the test. He would study them the day before lecture, go home an study / clarify a few things, and that was it. Then the night before the test he'd read through them once like I said. He'd ace the test. On test review he'd read the test once to see what he missed and that was his only study allotted for his final.

He was a true genius.






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So, this is really not shedding any positive light on TWU as far as I can see. Let me see if I have it right. The accept around 200 students knowing they full well don't have clinical spots for all of them. Collect huge amounts of tuition from all of them, and then proceed to flunk out however many they need to to get down under the threshold?!?!?!? Am I close here?

[ImNotThatGuy]

So, this is really not shedding any positive light on TWU as far as I can see. Let me see if I have it right. The accept around 200 students knowing they full well don't have clinical spots for all of them. Collect huge amounts of tuition from all of them, and then proceed to flunk out however many they need to to get down under the threshold?!?!?!? Am I close here?

120 students. Everyone has different theories about why they weed out. We did lose some clinical sites but picked up others. The crna's that graduate from TWU are not inferior to anyone.

[gaspass3]

120 students. Everyone has different theories about why they weed out. We did lose some clinical sites but picked up others. The crna's that graduate from TWU are not inferior to anyone.

It really sounds to me like this horrible, horrible AP class changes from year to year in difficulty based on how many people they need to drop out.

[bettermj]

So, this is really not shedding any positive light on TWU as far as I can see. Let me see if I have it right. The accept around 200 students knowing they full well don't have clinical spots for all of them. Collect huge amounts of tuition from all of them, and then proceed to flunk out however many they need to to get down under the threshold?!?!?!? Am I close here?
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[PrinceVersed]

I would not fault them for a sec on their money making tactics if EVERYONE who graduated was going to be awesome(and if everyone knew that when they accepted the spot). However, I think we have hit the point of no return and there is still some low fruit hanging. lol. Hopefully, we will all turn out awesome.

[BuckeyeRN]

Well I did it. For the entire year. For my entire class. She knew that I was sharing notes. What she has a problem with is when people shared PREVIOUS years notes. I'm wondering how reliable your advice is after all.

Actually, I think a few of the notes you made were given out by the instructor the next year.

[maliggs]

There was a change in professors a couple years back....the infamous Dr.Reinke retired after many years, and Dr.Schmidt began teaching the class. As expected, there was a steep learning curve on how to teach a class of the same caliber as Dr.Reinke. I'm sure that it just took a year or so for the wrinkles to be ironed out (which happened during the time I went there), and the next year the format and organization of the class changed. That's all.

[steph1231]

I'm in for class starting this fall. I will be in topeka. Did anyone create a FB group yet?

[Dial'em_In]

So for all you people who are prospective students you should read this. I know some of the people arguing in this group. Yes its(the program) somewhat difficult. It should be. I thought it was going to be MUCH HARDER going into it.

As for ImNotThatGuy and his advice.... You should throw it out of your head. People always want to make it sound like what they have accomplished (sounds like barely for this guy) was the hardest most brutal thing ever. They do this so that you will look at them favorably. This is kind of sad actually. People sad the same thing to me before I started. "It's Hell" "Hardest thing in the World" "Consumed my life" What a bunch of babies. At any rate here is the truth.

Some are smarter than others. Some learn easier and faster and it comes naturally to them. Some are hard workers. There is a continuum on all of these attributes. Where ever you measure up in these areas in your past endeavors is probably where you will fall. You don't have to be the smartest person ever to pass, but you better be a hard worker. Likewise if your not the hardest worker you better be damn smart. Most of you out there are a mixture of the two which is optimal.

I won't publicly tell you my study hours because I don't want to mislead someone and it end up being bad for them. I have plenty of free time though and still work some(just to support hobbies). But people are different and you have to find what works for you. But if you know its what you want then work hard and don't look back. But don't listen to all of this weeding out stuff. If they failed they failed. Its a point system, rack'em up and you won't have to worry at all. Get in there do well on every test because you want to be a good provider. Education is enriching as well so enjoy it. School has not really been stressful, I have had a good time and AP was my favorite. This program is MORE than FAIR, and completely DOABLE.

I just don't want anyone to be put off because of "ImNotThatGuy." This sounds like a person that is struggling with more than school. Don't let that effect your outlook on your future.

[maliggs]

So for all you people who are prospective students you should read this. I know some of the people arguing in this group. Yes its(the program) somewhat difficult. It should be. I thought it was going to be MUCH HARDER going into it.

As for ImNotThatGuy and his advice.... You should throw it out of your head. People always want to make it sound like what they have accomplished (sounds like barely for this guy) was the hardest most brutal thing ever. They do this so that you will look at them favorably. This is kind of sad actually. People sad the same thing to me before I started. "It's Hell" "Hardest thing in the World" "Consumed my life" What a bunch of babies. At any rate here is the truth.

Some are smarter than others. Some learn easier and faster and it comes naturally to them. Some are hard workers. There is a continuum on all of these attributes. Where ever you measure up in these areas in your past endeavors is probably where you will fall. You don't have to be the smartest person ever to pass, but you better be a hard worker. Likewise if your not the hardest worker you better be damn smart. Most of you out there are a mixture of the two which is optimal.

I won't publicly tell you my study hours because I don't want to mislead someone and it end up being bad for them. I have plenty of free time though and still work some(just to support hobbies). But people are different and you have to find what works for you. But if you know its what you want then work hard and don't look back. But don't listen to all of this weeding out stuff. If they failed they failed. Its a point system, rack'em up and you won't have to worry at all. Get in there do well on every test because you want to be a good provider. Education is enriching as well so enjoy it. School has not really been stressful, I have had a good time and AP was my favorite. This program is MORE than FAIR, and completely DOABLE.

I just don't want anyone to be put off because of "ImNotThatGuy." This sounds like a person that is struggling with more than school. Don't let that effect your outlook on your future.


I don't think it's the material that is horribly difficult. It's the time commitment, money commitment, moving around for clinicals, being away from family, etc. That was the hardest thing about the program. I believe that a LOT of people, when commenting about anesthesia school, are referring to this.

[bettermj]

The material has changed. One of my classmate's spouses (a few actually) went through the new curriculum. We were amazed at the huge amounts of things that they weren't covering. Even reinke's last year was significantly less.

But then again, I probably would have struggled just as much.

Who knows, if I studied less, I may have done better.

Like many, I was at the top of my class in nursing school, in OT school, and in business school. I got owned by the students that struggled in nursing school with me.... And I was happy for them! I'm no Prince Versed, and I'm Not that guy ( lol ) but by the end of each semester I just was happy to learn the material and get a good grade. I got over worrying about what everyone else made.




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[PrinceVersed]

Hey hey, sir. I never claimed to be anything special. I just claimed you could take breaks :).

[Dial'em_In]

I don't think it's the material that is horribly difficult. It's the time commitment, money commitment, moving around for clinicals, being away from family, etc. That was the hardest thing about the program. I believe that a LOT of people, when commenting about anesthesia school, are referring to this.

Time has some correlation with difficulty of program whether its volume or conceptual. But you agree with the point im making, the material is NOT horribly difficult. I wasn't commenting on the other aspects, those are extremely variable. We all take the same test but don't have the same family, bills, $ in the bank.... You have a point but on that note of commitment....those without commitment need not apply. But its a challenge for some more than others (family's, kids, away from spouse ect.) but seems like unexpected life events tend to take people out at times when they would have otherwise made it through fine. Always sucks for those when that happens and my heart goes out to them ya know.

[bettermj]

Hey hey, sir. I never claimed to be anything special. I just claimed you could take breaks :).

Ha! "But I'm a Prince!!"

:)


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[ethernaut]

Ha! "But I'm a Prince...Albert ;)

[bettermj]

Albert ;)

LOL


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[ImNotThatGuy]

I love when someone creates a new forum name just to troll. 2 posts. Wow. My posts must have been very inspiring.

[ImNotThatGuy]

oh well

[RAYMAN]

You two have had a good go at it. Don't know if it's the smartest thing to do publicly.....

[bettermj]

This is the perspective of some other students mixed with some humor. Make what you want of it. Click the link. I couldn't resize the image to make it viewable.

http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f314/larryj1978/?action=view&current=facebookadvice.png


C'mon man. Don't be that guy.








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[ImNotThatGuy]

LOL. I'm not.

[bettermj]

LOL. I'm not.

Great. :)


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[ethernaut]

http://img.tapatalk.com/a68958a1-2386-25fd.jpg

[PrinceVersed]

Ha! "But I'm a Prince!!"

:)

Hey, if you don't get my obviously failed attempt at a spaceballs reference well...then... I guess I just failed! ha.


I love when someone creates a new forum name just to troll. 2 posts. Wow. My posts must have been very inspiring.

LOL. Really? Go check IPs or something. You don't have a clue buddy. Keep up the good sleuth work!

[bettermj]

Hey, if you don't get my obviously failed attempt at a spaceballs reference well...then... I guess I just failed! ha.

!

Guess I need to watch the movie.

I didn't have time to watch movies when I was in school. :)


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[ImNotThatGuy]

All I'm saying is start out at 110% so you don't sell yourself short. When you learn what's best for you then you can tone it down. Don't start out with the attitude that it will be easy until you figure it out for yourself. Otherwise, you are in for a very rude awakening.

[Dial'em_In]

This is true, everyone should start out 110%. There is alot of variation between people in the program so this is always a smart bet. First tests in every class is very important, sets the pace.