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ADMIN
10-29-2011, 11:38 PM
You can view the page at http://www.nurse-anesthesia.org/content.php/236-COA-Announces-Major-Revision-of-Standards-for-Accreditation-of-CRNA-Programs?
JadamR15
10-30-2011, 04:55 AM
"Major"?

We'll see.
Esper
10-30-2011, 01:54 PM
Anybody want to sponsor a non-member registration? :)
JadamR15
10-30-2011, 04:26 PM
You join the army yet? ;)
Bad Apple
10-31-2011, 07:31 AM
This revision is all about inserting the requirement for doctoral preparation and addressing the curricular changes necessary for transition to doctoral education.
MmacFN
10-31-2011, 02:46 PM
I hope to see some requirements for ACTUAL CVL on live patients and nevere block minimums on live patients as well.


This revision is all about inserting the requirement for doctoral preparation and addressing the curricular changes necessary for transition to doctoral education.
FORANE
10-31-2011, 03:29 PM
I hope to see some requirements for ACTUAL CVL on live patients and nevere block minimums on live patients as well.

Add to that some CRNA only clinical rotation time.

So, any new news from the NBCRNA front?
JacksonCovey
10-31-2011, 03:37 PM
Does anyone else see a MAJOR incongruity between COA standards and the AANA Scope of Practice for CRNAs?

Saying we can be independent...and not requiring an independent rotation...seems ridiculous. Or maybe incredulous.
RAYMAN
10-31-2011, 03:47 PM
I hope to see some requirements for ACTUAL CVL on live patients and nevere block minimums on live patients as well.

I think the post before yours inferred this ain't happening
Bad Apple
11-01-2011, 06:49 AM
I think the post before yours inferred this ain't happening

No, and no. Also on the agenda is "increasing use of technology" and "distance education".
MmacFN
11-01-2011, 07:30 AM
Oh my. Well I guess ill have to ramp up again to start trouble.


No, and no. Also on the agenda is "increasing use of technology" and "distance education".
Bad Apple
11-01-2011, 07:40 AM
See you in San Diego February 23 ???
MmacFN
11-01-2011, 08:23 AM
I wish, already got denied the vaca time, others already have those days.


See you in San Diego February 23 ???
JacksonCovey
11-01-2011, 02:45 PM
Does anyone else see the major incongruity between COA standards and the AANA scope of practice for CRNAs?

I know many CRNAs use their full scope - but there is a wide gap between minimum requirements for a new grad and the AANA's scope of practice statement.

Anyone else?

Mods:

Feel free to move this to the private section.
gasaholic
11-02-2011, 11:15 AM
how about increasing admissions requirements? I'm sick of students rolling into clinicals with barely a year of experience.
iceemike1
11-02-2011, 05:28 PM
how about increasing admissions requirements? I'm sick of students rolling into clinicals with barely a year of experience.

naaaa, that would just cut down on the amount of $$$ to be made . . .
Bad Apple
11-03-2011, 06:40 AM
how about increasing admissions requirements? I'm sick of students rolling into clinicals with barely a year of experience.Some of us have done this already. But you can find almost all of my program's rejected applicants in other programs in the region.
JadamR15
11-03-2011, 12:31 PM
Some of us have done this already. But you can find almost all of my program's rejected applicants in other programs in the region.Wow.
Bad Apple
11-03-2011, 02:27 PM
It's a fact, some programs get lots of applicants by reputation of providing excellent education, and some programs get lots of applicants by reputation of accepting many people.

As the job market gets tighter, I predict that eventually it will matter where you were trained.
JadamR15
11-03-2011, 03:12 PM
It's a fact, some programs get lots of applicants by reputation of providing excellent education, and some programs get lots of applicants by reputation of accepting many people.

As the job market gets tighter, I predict that eventually it will matter where you were trained.

Maybe the market will matter.

In this market, I think word of mouth is already becoming very important. It's likely how I'll have my first employment.
Bad Apple
11-03-2011, 03:18 PM
We started reducing our class size a few years ago. Now the anesthesia residency program in our center has applied to the ACGME for additional resident positions to increase their numbers. This experience:

1. Brings a different side of the debate to light -- if we leave a void, it will be filled by others

2. Makes me wonder why our programs don't have to apply to the COA to increase their numbers. Basically, I could increase my class size by 100% or more without showing any need as long as I can document adequate resources to educate them all.
gasaholic
11-03-2011, 03:26 PM
my class started with 80.

we graduated 52 (+/-)
MmacFN
11-03-2011, 05:09 PM
Well it is very hard for resident programs to increase numbers because they are limited by the designated anesthesia GME money which is the only reason they have limited numbers to begin with. Having said that Id rather we put out quality CRNAs than 'assistants' even if that means program closures.


We started reducing our class size a few years ago. Now the anesthesia residency program in our center has applied to the ACGME for additional resident positions to increase their numbers. This experience:

1. Brings a different side of the debate to light -- if we leave a void, it will be filled by others

2. Makes me wonder why our programs don't have to apply to the COA to increase their numbers. Basically, I could increase my class size by 100% or more without showing any need as long as I can document adequate resources to educate them all.